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House is going to try to pass a $2,000 stimulus by tomorrow via unanimous consent.

Not to mention some of the niche tax provisions like 5 year depreciation of racing horses, about 50 pages on tax cuts for the alcohol industry, etc.

Pelosi even lays it out. Republicans wanted $0. The Dems compromised with $600 even though they wanted more.

Pelosi read my post a couple above about Dem leadership saying they agree!

So how does this play out? Republicans caved in the $600 because they were getting killed on it in GA. I imagine Dem leaderships will come out and say they agree with the President. That starts to paint the Republicans into a corner prior to GA senate.

People want to fix problems. Fraudulent voting due to not having ID laws is unfortunately not a problem. We’ve seen maybe a handful of real cases brought up this election cycle when there is intense scrutiny on fraud. so your idea is to pay millions of dollars, probably billions of dollars to implement a law that would change maybe 10 votes?

How does the state choose who gets the card? Does someone need to sign up for the card? What if people fraudulently sign up for the card? Then you’re back to making it expensive for people to get things like birth certificates. Why should the state take on such a large cost that’s not need? Would you support raising taxes to pay for this program?

If you love democracy, you’d be against voter ID laws as they are being used as a restriction on legal US persons to vote. ACLU gives a good break down on it: Voter ID Laws Deprive Many Americans of the Right to Vote Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.1 Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID. Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.2 The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.3 Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.5 Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6 States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting. Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7 Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8 Voter ID Requirements are a Solution in Search of a Problem In-person fraud is vanishingly rare. A recent study found that, since 2000, there were only 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation – the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent – during a period of time in which over 1 billion ballots were cast.9 Identified instances of “fraud” are honest mistakes. So-called cases of in-person impersonation voter “fraud” are almost always the product of an elections worker or a voter making an honest mistake, and that even these mistakes are extremely infrequent.10 Voter ID laws are a waste of taxpayer dollars. States incur sizeable costs when implementing voter ID laws, including the cost of educating the public, training poll workers, and providing IDs to voters. Texas spent nearly $2 million on voter education and outreach efforts following passage of its Voter ID law.11 Indiana spent over $10 million to produce free ID cards between 2007 and 2010.12

We have proof of voter fraud with a dead person voting!!!!!! https://www.businessinsider.com/voter-election-fraud-pennsylvania-charge-dead-mom-vote-trump-2020-12 Dead person voted for Trump tho so not sure if that counts!

Trump asked Flynn about using the military to overturn the election: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/20/donald-trump-asked-michael-flynn-using-military-overturn-election/

this reminds me of when Brady was caught cheating so Pats fans made this webpage: https://yourteamcheats.com/

Our friends on the right could do well to learn so Latin: “c um hoc ergo propter hoc”

The point is it’s a stretch to say this 4 percent shift in funds led to the increased cases. Would you care to explain how the 4 percent budget shift without changing the officers on the ground changed crime stats? perhaps if we have the same amount of officers and more crime, those officers are no longer performing at an adequate level and should be let go.

This leaves out a lot of key facts. 1) the 8 million is about 4 percent of the budget. 2) it wasn’t cut, they shifted the resources elsewhere 3) none of the cuts were to reduce the number of police. The stats they look at for the entire year. It’s almost as if crime rises during recessions. There was also riots which did increase reportable crime as well.

Romney took some pretty big actions of country over party these past four years. Two off the top of my head: voting against getting rid of the Affordable Cares Act and voting to yes on impeachment. Neither of those votes were particularly good for Romney as they upset the Trump base.

It’s really sad how the Republicans have fallen. Everything they blame the Dems for they do. GOProjection is a real thing. Republicans have said that Dems try buying voters. In the past 2 years we had 1) 2018 - Trump promises a middle class tax cut if people vote Republican 2) 2020 - Trump promises to forgive Social Security tax deferral if elected (by the way, a lot of people are only weeks away to a big surprise in their paycheck because of this) 3) 2020 - McConnel says we need to give people money in the stimulus bill so they vote for us.

Republicans fearing they’re getting beaten on this stimulus bill in GA are now offering to give people free money in the stimulus bill so they vote Republican: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/16/business/us-economy-coronavirus In a call on Wednesday afternoon, Mr. McConnell said that Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, who are both facing January runoffs that will determine which party controls the Senate, were “getting hammered” for Congress’s failure to deliver more pandemic aid to struggling Americans — particularly the direct payments — and that enacting the measure could help them.

Not really. I have a ton friends at the IRS who can make 3 times more if they leave. At least from the accountant/lawyer perspective, it’s a lot less in government.

All Federal loans have a 10 year public loan forgiveness option where if you work in the government or a non for profit your loan is forgiven after making 10 years worth of payments or 10 years actually pass, whichever is later. (Trump wanted to end this) For people who do not go to one of these jobs, forgiveness is either 20 or 25 years depending on when the loan was signed.

With Manafort alone, Mueller brought back $42,000,000. $42,000,000 is greater than $32,000,000, so just with Manafort the US profited $10,000,000. Thats a 31.3 percent return on investment. If the US can make more investments like that, they can pay down the debt from all the Republican presidential terms.

The sad thing about that is the Trump people will think that it’s awesome and shows how Trump won.

Remember the posters that said more people would die by suicide/alcohol abuse during a lockdown than of COVID?

People like you will get the benefit of a stronger economy. Think of this like you would for a tax cut to the rich. The rich get a tax cut and the poorer people are like what about people like me. The Republican answer is well you will be better off because the economy will be better and there will be more jobs. Same here. People like you will be better off because the economy will be better and there will be more jobs. Both of your proposals are things that are already available and have not helped the situation and would have minimal changes to the economy. Also love that you’re answer is you’re poor so go work more.

Biden needs just 305 votes tomorrow to beat Trumps 2016 margin!!

How does it teach irresponsibility to the former students? They’re not going to go out and go back to school with more debt. If anything the current system requires irresponsibility. For example in the 2008ish recession many people went back to school, taking out more loans after they were fired due to the recession just because that would freeze student loan companies from trying to collect. The current generation really got the short end of the stick. The boomers had a time period when college was dirt cheap. When college costs started increasing they were able to use bankruptcy to discharge their student loans as well. Blanket cancellation will help drive the economy. If anyone here is pro-tax cuts because it will help the economy should be pro-blanket forgiveness due to the greater economic impact at a similar price. Colleges need reform on ballooning costs. Really, a Bernie plan of free higher education would be ideal across the board. Your point 4 doesn’t work and is really a disguised attack on the poorer class. As of 2019 there’s 5.2 million defaulted federal loans. They’re typically defaulted because they can’t pay because they don’t make enough money to pay. Plus you’re needlessly clogging up the legal system. My solution: 1. Program to consolidate private student loan debt into federal student loan debt 2. blanket forgiveness on Federal student loan debt 3. 100 percent excise tax on colleges salaries in excess of $500,000. Money goes to a fund to pay #2. 4. Federal tax credit of $100,000 a year, allowable for $25,000 a year over a 4 year period. Payable directly to the colleges. 5. Any college where tuition is more than $25,000 a year and gets non-for-profit status needs a justification of the higher tuition disclosed on a tax return or risk losing non-for-profit status 6. Program where if $25,000 tuition does not cover all operating costs for a college, the college can apply for a tax credit to cover remaining expenses on a justified need basis 7. Any non-for-profit college is capped at $200,000 max salary for all employees 8. State programs similar to NY to offset any additional costs. That’s really a funny part about this. The right are the people who are against this saying to pay back debts. Yet Trump had 6 bankruptcies and they call him a great business man. Economic impact of Trumps bankruptcies? Nothing. Economic impact of this? Greater increase in GDP than Trumps signature Tax Cuts and Jobs Act tax cuts.