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Alright guys... let’s have a fair and balanced view here. Hard core light winger, Lindsey Graham:

I said how he ran. Not what he’s doing. Trump ran on a Mexico will pay for the wall. That’s obviously not what happened. Running up to the election the right liked to post Rasmussen approval ratings for Trump: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/biden_approval_index_history Biden is at 51 percent on Rasmussen a very right leaning pollster. Biden from a polling standpoint with Rasmussen has been doing much better than Trump.

Is it fear mongering if there are already over 500,000 dead? Biden didn’t really run a COVID will overrun the country if you don’t vote for me. He mainly ran a I’m not Trump campaign. At worst he ran a, I’m not a dumb ass when it comes to COVID like the current admin campaign. Like Republicans tell you 1) they will take your guns or 2) elect them and we will be socialists. None of those will happen but they scare people into it. 330 million Americans. Say a 1 percent death rate with COVID. If left to run rampant, that’s 3.3 million dead. That’s like something that could actually happen. (Again I don’t think Biden ran a COVID campaign but an I’m not Trump campaign). It has a great probability of the Dems taking everyone’s guns.

You didn’t make any point. The right is not unfettered on company time. That is true. Employers can do things like say you can’t promote a product on company time or you can’t protest on company time. The absence of a company doing such means the company is allowing an unfettered right to do so on company time. The NFL knew of protests. The NFL gave their permission. Therefore the players were granted an unfettered right to protest by kneeling on company time. Protests have consequences. If it’s right wing nuts not watching the NFL because they don’t like what occurs before the game, I’m sure the NFL took that into account and found any loss of revenue didn’t matter. To the point that it’s entertainment, if you made a pie graph if entertaining things you see in an NFL football game, I’d guess a sliver of it is the national anthems. Hell most people are in the bathroom or in line for food when it’s occurring. The fact remains the right was against players taking a knee during the anthem. They didn’t like that sign of protest. They don’t like black athletes voicing their opinion. let’s look at Fox News for a great example: Black athletes: “It's always unwise to seek political advice from someone who gets paid $100 million a year to bounce a ball," Ingraham said. "Oh, and LeBron and Kevin, you're great players, but no one voted for you. Millions elected Trump to be their coach. So keep the political commentary to yourself, or as someone once said, 'Shut up and dribble.'" White: Now let's fast forward to Wednesday's show and see what she had to say about Brees, who gets paid millions of dollars to throw a ball... "Well, he's allowed to have his view about what kneeling and the flag means to him. I mean, he's a person," Ingraham said. "He has some worth, I would imagine. I mean, this is beyond football, though. This is totalitarian conduct. This is Stalinist. And by the way, on the streets of New Orleans — we're looking at live pictures — they're shouting, 'Eff Drew Brees.'

The thing with unconscious bias is split second decisions could result in wildly different outcomes based on unconscious bias. the image passed around a lot is: White guy reaching for a gun, split second decision needs to be made but instead of using excessive force the cops just like whoa man.

Couple ideas you dont understand. Sports has a long history of political uses. Protests aren’t supposed to be easy for you to ignore. NFL players did nothing wrong and disobeyed nothing on their employer agreement protesting. I’m sorry that you wanted to sit down and watch a game without hearing about black people being murdered by cops but the protest is to get people like you to have to acknowledge it. For example, if there’s a protest of a WalMart and makes the protest makes it hard for you to go buy whatever you buy there, then the protest is inconvenient but it brings light to the protestors actions to groups that may not know about the issues. Second, the military. You do know This originally started with sitting for the anthem. Kaep was told that could be disrespectful to the military so he worked with a US veteran on the best way to protest? https://www.npr.org/2018/09/09/646115651/the-veteran-and-nfl-player-who-advised-kaepernick-to-take-a-knee Not just any veteran, but a retired Green Beret. ” And it struck a chord with me, of course, and it struck a chord with a lot of people - a lot of people in the veteran community as well - because obviously the flag and the anthem and what that stuff stands for means something, you know, very different to us. And I was pretty upset, you know, just because I felt like he didn't understand what those symbols really represent. And - but instead of letting my anger overwhelm me, I decided to relax a little bit, and I wrote this open letter that was just explaining my experiences, my relationship to the flag. And Colin actually reached out, said he wanted to meet with me. And we sat in the lobby of the team hotel, discussed our situation, our different opinions and feelings about all this. And I suggested him taking a knee instead of sitting even though I wanted him to stand, and he wanted to sit. And it was, like, this compromise that we sort of came to. And that's where the kneeling began.” But again we’re still back to the right doesn’t have an acceptable form of protest for minority communities. I asked the question previously and not a single person here answered even though everyone and their sister seems to watch quote my posts. What would be an acceptable way for the black community to protest? The call a riot the language of the unheard. With the right constantly telling the black community don’t protest that way, don’t protest like that, shut up and dribble, there is a reason why that community feels unheard.

Except when their employee allows it. The NFL never banned them from doing it. Their employer was fine with them doing it so you’re whole own time argument is dumb. If the NFL came out and said as your employer we don’t want you doing that then you may have a point, however that was not the case. Instead, yet again we’re back to you are trying to tell someone how they can or cannot protest.

I don’t think conservatives would have an issue if a large group of white athletes kneeled. For example if a large group of white players in MLB kneeled because the MLB moved the all star game, I think Fox News would be praising them.

Protests aren’t supposed to be for your pleasure. They should disrupt so their voice is heard. They had a right to protest. You didn’t like them exercising their right. You didn’t like them protesting.

None of what was listed was a different opinion. Kneeling - Right said dont kneel to protest - if it was a difference of opinion, the right would say good job using free speech but we disagree with you that black people are being nurseries by cops LeBron - right said shut up and dribble. That’s an exact quote from Fox News - if it was a difference of opinion the right would say, Lebron I don’t agree with what you’re saying but here’s my opinion (instead of shut up) Black Athletes - even on their own time being told to shut up - if it was a difference of opinion see Lebron Black Lives Matter - right tries to say All Lives Matter and diminish the speech. Not a difference of opinion as Black Lives Matter never said all lives don’t matter. just a right speaking point to silence the other - if it was a difference of opinion the right would say no, cops are not murdering black people Boycotts as a protest - the right wasn’t saying we disagree with your opinion MLB. They were saying don’t pull out of GA. They didn’t want MLB to use their free speech. - if it was a difference of opinion the right would say I’m sorry you feel the GA law is racist but in our opinion it’s not Theres a difference between attacking what is being said vs attacking that someone is saying it. The right has attacked people saying things, not what they said.

I gave several examples: - kneeling in protest = bad - Lebron speaking out - “shut up and dribble” - Black Athletes speaking out - just keep politics out of sports - Black Lives Matter - no All Loves Matter - boycotting GA policies - There’s terrible cancel Cole and MLB Kneeling was a peaceful protest, you hated that.

Can you name an acceptable way to you for minorities to voice their displeasure with a right belief or policy?

What your looking for is a smoking gun and ignore the circumstantial evidence that is presented. No GA Republican is going to come out and say yea we passed this to disenfranchise voters. North Carolina is a great example with their racial gerrymandering but the circumstantial evidence was overwhelming that the courts concluded it was targeting minimizing black voters. But that is for the other thread. For this thread the context is more, minorities are telling you racist, minorities and companies are protesting it as racist but the rights answer is just shut up. MLB protests by moving the game out of ATL. The right comes out and says we don’t like that protest you can’t do that! There will never be an acceptable way to the right for people to protest their displeasure with their policies or beliefs.

I’m open to all sides but one side, i.e. the right always seems to have an issue with how minorities express their concerns.

I think a common thread that we see here from the people on the right is they love free speech and they love to tell minority groups what to say. Kneel on a football field - just stand Lebron speaking out - shut up and dribble Telling people Black Lives Matter - no all lives matter The GA election bill is racist - shut up no it’s not No matter what form of speech you see from minority groups it will never be appropriate for those on the right.

I’m not sure if that makes it worse that they’re killing people sober or not then? True cops are cops with badges. That would make all cops true cops.

True cops aren’t out murdering them. But they have all their blue lives matter crap.

Still need to worry about the right wing terrorists. Last time the will of the people was served they stormed the Capitol and tried to overtake our government.

I don’t agree with it. I’m just saying the analogy to the bakers is apt. Republicans who celebrated the bakers discriminatory policies should be celebrating Twitter kicking people they don’t agree with off.

I think an underlying issue a lot of my friends here on the right have is missing a basic understanding of law in the US. When I say protected groups I’m referencing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and its various expansions. The protected groups are what I listed before and party affiliation is not one of them. Your second paragraph misinterprets the first amendment. We have a freedom of speech. Freedom of speech means freedom to express oneself without government repercussions. The first amendment does not apply to private businesses and allowing people on their platform to speak. We can look at the wording: “Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.“ Twitter isn’t Congress.” If the government stepped in and said Twitter you can’t block conservatives, that would be more of a violation of the freedom of speech clause them Twitter blocking conservatives. To your point, then get mad that it’s a monopoly and wrote your Congress person to look at monopolistic practices. It’s not a freedom of speech issue and Twitter is fine blocking whoever they want.

Monopoly laws are a different issue. Not sure how you’d break up a Twitter? Id argue Twitters terms of service are more clean and can be accessed easily. Yea, I just googled Twitters Terms of Service and it was the first link: https://twitter.com/en/tos To echo back to the bakers, they didn’t have clear terms of service. I googled anti-gay baker terms of service and I can’t find them. So I’m not sure how they apply their rules. Theres also if a person is part of a protected group. Typically we have protected groups of: race, color, national origin, religion, age, sex (gender), sexual orientation, physical or mental disability. Party affiliation is not a protected group. If you want a bakery to be able to say I don’t want a gay couple to use my service, you should also be ok with Twitter saying I don’t want so and so right wing person using my service.

Then it’s an issue with monopolies not an issue that companies can choose who can or cannot use their services. So should once you become a certain size mean everyone has to be allowed to use your service?

No true, but let’s say it is. Why should you be able to tell a private company who can or cannot use their service? Its the same thing the other poster brought up with their cases. If you were okay with a private company banning a gay couple from getting their cakes then you should be fine with a private company banning people.

First domestic terrorist from the US Capitol pleads guilty. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/16/politics/oath-keepers-capitol-guilty-plea-schaffer/index.html Looking at 3.5 to 4.5 years in jail. ”Prosecutors and Schaffer's attorneys agreed to recommend that he get between 3.5 and 4.5 years in prison, based on how fruitful his cooperation is with the government.”

I mean I am a coastal elite. I don’t think there is misinformation saying Republicans don’t want people to vote. Aside from all the bills they have to do that, they’re also a minority party. Another poster laid the stats pretty well. Won the popular vote in a Presidential election once since Reagan. Barely wins the Senate. Younger people are continuing to move more liberal and sites like TikTok and YouTube are helping that. But doesn’t poor education make it harder to make informed decisions? Doesn’t it make it easier to fall for lies like Obamacare has death panels?