[Odds are WR position after draft will still be more of question then the answer desired]

On 4/12/2024 at 6:35 PM, Rocky Landing said:

The trade for Diggs was a brilliant move by Beane at the time. With the trade of our first round pick, Beane essentially “drafted” a proven wide receiver. But that scenario doesn’t really exist for us this time around. There is no reasonable path to an Aiyuk, or Higgins, and at #28, regardless of which WR beyond Harrison falls to us, it’s never a good idea to hang your hat on a rookie. I keep thinking back on the insane trade-up for Sammy Watkins. Watkins was actually a decent, starting caliber WR, who’s had a decent career, but he never came anywhere close to the draft value the Bills placed on him. 
 

And, IMO, an important thing to consider in both the Diggs, and Watkins situations, is that in both scenarios, the Bills were working with solid, and deep defense. Currently, what would be the Bills starting eleven on D is average, at best, and paper thin beyond that.
 

Even after the Diggs trade to Houston, I’m not convinced that the Bills are destined to draft a WR in round one. If this WR class is as deep as folks are saying, and assuming the top three will be gone by #28, there will be solid WRs in round two. The same may not be said about the defensive needs we have. 
 

My hope is that Beane drafts BVPA at the numerous positions of need in the first round, and only trades up if there is real value in the trade. If that turns out to be a CB, or a safety, or a DE, or a WR, then so be it. His track record for trading in the draft is pretty damn good. 
 

As far as the question in the OP is concerned— I’m not as married to the idea of a WR in the first as everyone else seems to be. (Although Beane/McDermott might be fearing pitchforks, at this point…) I just want Beane to continue to do what he does— he’s creative, he’s always looking, and he clearly has developed solid relationships throughout the league.

Not using our draft capital early and often in arguably one of the best wr drafts in a long time would be a huge mistake. You don’t like a wr at 28? Then move back and obtain more capital. Drafting more players on defense early is pure arrogance.  If your coaches claim to fame is defense then let him prove it.  Beane has invested hardly anything into the wr room (high draft choice). This needs to change. 

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1 hour ago, Pete said:

Davis and Diggs didn’t do ***** for the last 12 games and the playoffs.  They are both easily upgraded imo. 

Add some speed on the outside, and I think it will unlock the bills passing attack underneath.  Will definitely affect how defenses play us. I don’t think this offense will be any worse than last year. 

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4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Oh dear Lord, I’d almost cry😂

 

2% chance BTJ gets past Dallas even

I concur. But that would be a gut punch. 

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1 minute ago, <bills4life> said:

I don’t disagree with you at all. Sorry I threw that out into the universe.  Would it really be that shocking though?

 

6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

would be so foolish IMO. Very upsetting.

 

this staff turned a castoff in Poyer and a good player in Hyde into All-Pro’s

 

Mike Edwards is solid.  Rapp came on strong at the end of the year.  There’s still a small chance we could sign Justin Simmons in June if he’s left out there.  Or, take someone in the 4th that the DB coach knows already.

 

 

I can see it now.  Pick 28. Brian Thomas jr. is still sitting there.  We are all excited, it’s really happening.  With the 28th pick in the nfl draft the Buffalo bills select cooper dejean iowa.  😂 

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1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

would be so foolish IMO. Very upsetting.

 

this staff turned a castoff in Poyer and a good player in Hyde into All-Pro’s

 

Mike Edwards is solid.  Rapp came on strong at the end of the year.  There’s still a small chance we could sign Justin Simmons in June if he’s left out there.  Or, take someone in the 4th that the DB coach knows already.

 

 

I don’t disagree with you at all. Sorry I threw that out into the universe.  Would it really be that shocking though?

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1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

If that happens, this board...

 

Hence why I hated to say it. 😂 

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20 hours ago, FireChans said:

Wow, I’m shocked he didn’t get 2 years, 9.5M again

Beanes a wizard!!!!

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17 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Even if he was pretending to be innocent he sure was able to show so much compassion for the situation 

 

Nothing screams innocence more than re-enacting a scene from the movie “psycho”to describe how the mother of your children was murdered. Seems normal to me. 

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I hate to say it but I could see the bills drafting Cooper DeJean in the first and then moving back up in the 2nd round to draft Troy Franklin   

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5 hours ago, mannc said:

Is it a Bills football website, or not?  Simpson was found not guilty of murder, just like Tyreek Hill was never convicted of domestic abuse or whatever it is that people here constantly smear him with.  I don’t see the hypocrisy you’re talking about.

That doesn’t mean much. Especially if you watched the trial. 

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55 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Beck has shouted out WAY more insults and condescending tone than the sum of all the other posters in this thread.  

 

I challenge you to reread.

 

Regardless, i still believe the media is more than 95% of Diggs' issues.    And a LOT of fans are buying that.  aka drinking the kool aid 

(note: the term "drinking the kool aid" is not an insult.  Its an observation as to whether one believes another is being manipulated or persuaded.)

 

 

Yeah I know what kool aid means.  Thanks for the metaphorical clarification. I wouldn’t want to take that as a condescending tone as you alluded too.

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

I keep typing things out in this thread and then erasing them. I guess I'm just an Internet wuss.

No it’s a sign of high intelligence 😂 

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42 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Just more of the same from you.  Holier than thou.  More insults.  More lame attempts at trying to look "smart" and "clever".   And a few of your statements aren't even accurate as to whats been posted in this thread.  Talk about putting words in mouths.  

 

Before you argue, at least pick a side.  Don't waiver back and forth ..  back and forth.  I get it, "winning" (which is clearly on your ego driven agenda) is easier if you are wishy washy.  

 

And before you say, "where was i wishy washy", it's because you're attacking me for not buying into the media hype surrounding Diggs.... but then in the same breath go an about how you don't think hes a diva, etc.   So which is it?   And if it is indeed that later, why are you arguing with me?   That's right.  You just like to argue to hear yourself.

I challenge you to go back and reread your posts.  Then you want to cry foul. Please.

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1 minute ago, boater said:

I suspect no one wants to be the source of "bulletin board material" before the Texans game this season.

 

What would be very telling is josh and Diggs shaking hands at the end of the game like daboll and McDermott did. 😳 

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2 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

So all of that, which is HIGHLY debatable, makes him a diva and toxic and above reproach?!  Lmao. 
 

Everything you stated shows a competitive professional football player.  Do you work for MSNBC?

You do realize that Diggs got exactly what he was asking for.  Am I happy he is gone? No.  But at the same time I am not going to cry about it and make excuses for him as if he is the victim of some mass conspiracy.  Great player. Enjoyed his time here.  Wish him well in the future. Next man up.  I’m a bills fan first and foremost. 

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17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

hate on Diggs here

But that’s just it right there in a nutshell.  What exactly is the very definition of “hate” and “toxic”?  If having the opinion that Diggs was treated very well here, prior to forcing the Bills to trade him (like Minnesota) is toxic then I guess I am a Diggs hater by that definition. Personally I loved Diggs as a player. Loved his heart and passion.  But some of you get so triggered whenever anyone points out his part in all of this that you lose perspective.

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2 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Just more of the same.  Blah blah blah kid. 

Odds are that I’m probably older than you.  “Kid”

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1 minute ago, Blackbeard said:

Just the fact you mention how much he makes as a basis to take all the unnecessary heat is proving more of my point. 
 

the guy was nothing short of amazing during his tenure here.   And you are STILL bitching about him.  And you wonder why he’s glad he’s gone. 

You mean the heat he brought upon himself? Furthermore he was paid by the Bills commensurate to what he earned.  Which is the ultimate sign of respect by the bill’s organization.  Not once did I say he was overpaid. I simply stated a fact.  Not one comment or example I made was inaccurate or untrue. Yet somehow this proves your point that Diggs is mistreated?  Okay then. 

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1 minute ago, Blackbeard said:

Thank for for proving my point. 

Yes I know. Sometimes facts are a very inconvenient truth. 

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11 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

In all honesty, I’d probably despise this fan base too. 
 

Diggs is:  a diva.  Toxic.  Drops passes.  Overpaid.   Argues with Allen.  
 

on realty the dude gave us some AMAZING plays and excitement.  He was a freakin stud here.  
 

this fab base is brutal sometimes.  Not surprised him or Davis are bitter.  You think they don’t read social media?  

Yeah I know right.  Making 70 million guaranteed the next three seasons, playing with a generational talent in allen, being loved by the majority of bills fans, being one of the most targeted receivers in the nfl over the past 4 seasons, and reaching multiple pro bowls for the first time in your career. It must have been a real bitter pill to swallow. I feel real bad for him for what he may need to randomly read on twitter and instagram. 🤦 The injustice of it all. 

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Well I guess most of us can agree that they were all awesome.  It was a privilege to have watched Reed, Moulds, and Diggs play.  Let’s hope that Beane picks the next “great one”in the upcoming draft, so that we can all argue someday if he was the best ever. 

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54 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

It's absolutely a criticism of Diggs when you say he was worse than a guy who was rarely at the top of the league against his contemporaries. No doubt the game is played differently than it is today, but why did he only crack top 5 receiving numbers 4 times in 16 years? Tim Brown had no trouble despite far lesser QB play.
 

Why are you arguing about things that are facts?

Andree reed played in 21 playoff games with 85 total receptions and 9 TDs averaging 58.5 YPG. Diggs meanwhile has 14 playoff games with 69 total receptions, 4 TDs and 64.9 YPG. This board is ridiculing Diggs for disappearing in playoff games, leaving no mention of Reed doing the same. In 3 playoff games from 95 to 96 Reed had a combined 16 targets for 5 receptions for 52 total yards. Andre Reed failed to score a touchdown in his final 11 straight playoff games. 11 straight games.

There is no reality in which Andre Reed was a better Buffalo Bills receiver than Andre Reed. He would have broken every record reed set in probably 60% of the games if he were still here. Rose tinted glasses from the softening of history through the passage of time is a wild thing.

You conveniently leave out his numbers during his prime.  From 95 on reed was 31. 

Here are the numbers prior

Diggs 2 tds. 47 catches for 600 yds 

reed  9 tds 78 catches 1116 yds

 

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45 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You understand that he and the team knew that he had far more value being healthy and available than proving he was a touch guy by taking unnecessary hits right? He's remained remarkable healthy during his time here considering we've shoveled him 644 targets in 4 years while Andre reed had only 941 IN 15 YEARS as a Bill.

Nobody wants their #1 $20M dollar WR taking punishing hits. That's what Tight Ends and inexpensive slot receivers are for. There are a lot of terrible arguments that Andre Reed was better than modern day receivers, and this is probably the worst one. His ability and willingness to catch passes over the middle doesn't nearly make up for his lack of production. Reed's best quality as a player was longevity. 16 years for a receiver in his era was insane and it's the only reason he had the aggregate stats necessary to eventually get a nod to the HoF. If he's not part of the "4 straight super bowl appearances" story, there's no way he ever gets in, because there were better players during his era and after that still aren't.

-Oh 100 percent.  I have zero issue with Diggs and his style of play. I understand it.

-That is where we disagree.  Back then a running attack was more predominant than passing for most teams. Exception being Houston. This is a passing league now.  With rules where u can’t touch wrs.  A game made for offense and scoring. Much less clutching, grabbing, head hunting etc.. Reeds numbers would absolutely be much better. 
-outside of rice not too many. Carter/irvin maybe

-and playoff football? Reed over Diggs all day. 

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1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's not what you said tho. "Imagine Diggs going over the middle" means he doesnt/wouldnt do it.

 

Definitely not as much or as well as Reed. But Diggs was a warrior out there. Regardless of how poorly Bills fans want to speak of him now that he is gone.

Fair enough.  I should have reworded to “rarely goes over the middle and makes business decisions after catch as to avoid injury”.  I am also not speaking poorly of him. Awesome wr and loved his passion. But some people need a reality check when we start throwing out terms such as best bills receiver ever.  It’s like saying Mario Williams was better than Bruce smith. 

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1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

If you dont think Diggs has ever gone over the middle of the field then you havent been watching Bills football the past 4 years.

Any where near Andre reed? Who did it for a living?  If your not able to understand that then you have not been watching football period for a very long time. 

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14 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

He was far better than any Bills receiver from the 90s onward. he accomplished things Reed and Moulds never did.

imagine Diggs going over the middle? Yeah me neither.  Diggs in many cases catches ball and falls down to avoid getting hit.  This is fine I get it.  This is how he plays.  But Andre was fearless in an era where they were still allowed to take your head off.  Don’t get it twisted.  He was a true alpha receiver.  It was Jerry rice and him. 1a. 1b.  Diggs isn’t even in the top 10 today. And has certainly never been 1 a or b at any time.