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Jones has a couple good years left, I don't doubt that -- so I'd be all about it if that were somehow real. But I doubt it is, and the thought of it being Ridley is, well... not real.

I just don't know what you do with Sanu. We can only have so many WRs on the field. He doesn't do what Foster and Brown do, so they're safe, we just signed Beasley, so it would be weird to immediately replace him... sure, he's maybe an "okay" upgrade to Zay? But he's older and more expensive. I suppose, in some strange dystopia where we just absolutely fail to address the TE spot you could roll 5wide a lot and have Sanu be your defacto TE, but that seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Good player, just a weird fit for this specific team. Now if you could get a 3rd team involved, might be worth it?

Depending on the price I'd definitely do it. Not sure we'd be able to swing a LT though, considering Houston would be trading up for one of them. Clowney essentially is a massive upgrade to Lawson, so you can also work in what (likely little) trade comp we could get back for him. Even then -- I'd take a swap of ones and, say a 5 (for Shaq) to get Clowney!

Never going to happen. Honestly think he probably holds as much, if not more value in ATL than Julio does at this point.

No one said you can't discuss trade possibilities. The point is that these trades are not a math problem, and NFL GMs don't treat them as such. Just because there's a few charts that were made in the 80s that say that certain picks equal "fair" value to other picks in a trade, doesn't mean the other team is even remotely interested in making that trade. So sure, speculate all you want that we could trade up or trade down and what it might take to do so, but the problem comes when those charts begin to set expectations of what is and isn't fair value when trades happen in real life. It's one thing to say "If the value is right, I'd love to see us trade up for Quinnen Williams" -- it's an entirely different thing to say "Quinnen Williams fell to 5, the draft chart says we only have to give up our 3 and 4 for him, DO IT" -- and then be pissed when we don't because in reality Tampa is demanding our 3 and next year's 1. See the difference?

Exactly this. The trade charts are purely a fan thing at this point. Each team has their own valuation of their picks/slots based on who's making the decisions (looking at you Washington), who's available, what kind of leverage they have (teams automatically pay more for trading up for a QB), what their needs are (in terms of players, positions and current and future picks). Sometimes the charts can get close, sometime's they're not even close. I immediately tune out anyone using those charts as any sort of tangible "evidence" for anything.

Probably this one? I can't see ATL trading Julio for JUST a trade swap, and can't see how Sanu gives us enough TO swap picks... Unless we're giving up our 2 and a swap for Julio, this doesn't seem to fit.

I will say, as a relatively new poster -- with one extremely racist exception -- I've been really impressed with the ability of this board to maintain a halfway decent and respectful conversation. Sure there's arguments, but that's par (or under) for the course. We Bills fans are good people and my perspectives, as divisive as some have been, have felt welcome and embraced from day 1. So thanks TBD! It's been fun -- I promise not to gloat when we take DK over Oliver or pi$$ and moan relentlessly when we trade up FOR Oliver (though that'll be a massive mistake!) Go Bills!

Gonna be a lot of unhappy campers on this board if Oliver is there and Buffalo doesn't take him. That is, until they see him make zero impact in the league because he's a 265 lb DT and they all magically forget they were ever in love with the dude...

Also had a lot of competition for touches and a cr@ppy QB throwing too him... But clearly, as history has shown to be the case 100% of the time, college production dictates pro production.... ?

whoa... maybe a 3 and a 4 in the 2025 draft! That's way too much to give up for a guy who hasn't proven anything in the league... That said, I'd be VERY happy with getting him, just think it can be had for quite a bit cheaper than that...

Forgot to mention Jaylon Ferguson... That dude is not going to be an NFL player -- I wouldn't touch him in the 4th, let alone 2nd like many are mocking...

All depends on where they're picked, but I generally don't believe in: Oliver Gary Isabella, Parris Campbell and other small WRs -- just not what we need out there Devin White (I think he'll be a fine player but we don't need a MLB, he can't play outside, and it's ludicrous to ask the guy you just gave the keys to the defense to, to move positions) TJ -- he'll go higher than his value is ANY CB in the first few rds -- we're fine there, need help elsewhere

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Absolute lunacy.

For the life of me I cannot see why everyone is so gaga about Oliver. If he falls to us at 9 and the braintrust thinks he's the guy, then fine. I'm not a pro scout for a reason. But there are people on here talking about trading up for him and I'm just...

Quinnen or DK. Safe is boring. Safe -- especially in a small market -- leads to first-round playoff losses. Go big or go home.

It's a fair concern, but as I've said on here a couple times, every pro comment of DK comes with the caveat that his health checks out. To have to acknowledge that in every post would be excruciating, so for the sake of discussion, just set that aside. If his health doesn't check out, then totally agree, he's off the board (or way way lower). Not to mention that if he has injury concerns, so do Marquise Brown and others. After that, I don't really have any major question marks for him, aside from him simply not being the absolute perfect specimen for a WR. The agility stuff doesn't bother me, a semi-truck isn't going to be able to move like a motorcycle, it's just unrealistic to even expect that. I find it interesting that "not being 6'3 with crazy wingspan, huge hands, and otherworldly explosion/athleticism" isn't really a knock for the rest of the WR class, yet somehow less than-ideal agility is somehow the killshot for DK's future -- it all needs to be taken into context with everything else, and I see rare rare rare traits everywhere for him...

Boy, some of you guys are just fantastic at taking things out of context.

Not at all. Just pointing out that just because we had a bad experience with drafting a WR in the top 10, doesn't automatically make it a death knell for that pick. There's been plenty of successful (and plenty of unsuccessful) WRs picked in the top 10.

There's also nothing saying that we can't trade up from the second to get Christian Wilkins (meh) or Dexter Lawrence (me likey) as well... Hahahaha

I believe Saunders will be a very good pro, yep. There's also trading for Gerald McCoy. There's also plenty of unsigned FAs: Suh, Jernigan, Liuget, Allen Bailey, Wilkerson, Bennie Logan, the list goes on... Then there's the potential availability of DTs on teams who draft Quinnen, Oliver, Tillery, etc. I also also also like both Phillipses to get more snaps this season, so I'm not exactly terrified about not currently having our 4th DT.

Wendell Smallwood?!?!?!?!? @Cornette's Commentary, you do realize there are more ways to replace one defensive lineman than just our first round pick, right? I've seen you make this statement multiple times and it's beyond hyperbolic (and silly).