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Yeah I can’t see Coleman as the pick. He’s a guy that’s going to take a couple years and even then may be a specialist type. Doesn’t feel like a great fit for a team trying to win a Super Bowl and needing WRs to step immediately into a starting role. As probably THE loudest guy on this board wanting DK even over Oliver, I feel this one, for sure. Beane probably shouldn’t be anywhere near as Teflon as he is. Guess we’ll see…

Both have had their hits and misses. Again not really my point though. For all we know all of these guys had some major enough red flag that Beane and co. weren’t even considering them. Think of it that way — Reading the hundreds of posts on here and Twitter of fans freaking out about the same 3 or 4 dudes — what a waste of time and energy and emotion, all for something that potentially doesn’t even exist. As with all drafts, only time will tell. That’s one of the biggest challenges in drafting 21 and 22 year old young men, none of them are even grownups yet. I have my opinions and favorites like everyone else, but without more info I have no idea how reasonable or realistic those are.

100% right, but also wasn’t my point. All of these ranking sites and message boards are being populated by fans with extremely limited information. When even the pros with all of the info get it wrong as often as they do, it’s just not worth the hysteria that some folks are bringing.

Yeah 2 2s is too rich for a guy they have to move. Especially with a number of other quality vet wrs reportedly on the market. Fortunately that’s types of trades, when they happen, are rarely ever close to the rumored price.

Not advocating for it necessarily, just saying that he feels like he checks a lot of the boxes. Certainly enough to at least be discussed

I’ve been surprised there’s not more talk of JPJ or Kool-Aid. Both great fits in our schemes, good/great value and spots of fairly significant need.

100% this. It’s human to want the bright and shiny object, but this team has a lot of needs both short and long-term.

We’ll never get the real truth, but I think it’s safe to say that so far, the market has spoken for itself…

You will NOT be pleased to know how the Pegulas feel about Bob Kraft or the Hunts 😬…

Quoting this, not to pick on you or argue directly, but since these are kind of the consensus guys the board is in mourning over… The problem with us fans falling in love with specific players, is we’re basing that on maybe 30% of the overall process. What we get — limited angles of college football games and the now largely for show combine, just don’t factor in as much as the things we don’t get access to: medicals (Thomas reportedly had concerns); psych. evaluations (Leggette reportedly not too bright); interviews both with the player, their teammates, coaches, other staff and support folks (AD Mitchell purportedly has attitude and effort issues); scheme fit and internal staff considerations; other priorities (comfort in cold weather? Willingness to block? Etc.) I get why folks are annoyed by being told to “trust the process”, but it’s also the most logical option, given how little info we really have available.

Folks better get familiar with Franklin, I’m with Gunner, I’d put a decent amount of money on him being the guy we eventually pick. And I think that’s a good thing.

Yeah his age and early career makes him a tougher e v a l. I think he and Penix are a lot closer that top-15 and out of the first rd., but we'll see!

@GunnerBill Bo Nix falls entirely out of the first round?!? No Troy Franklin??? I feel personally attacked.

@Virgil count me in for mocks, but haven't had enough time to dig into this class to provide any sort of thought leadership

I think A- Antonio Brown (seems quite a bit more mentally stable, however 😀) fits pretty well.

NFL Draft X Oregon Ducks... Feels like a good time to chime in here. Troy Franklin is -- by a significant margin -- the best receiver to ever play at the U of O (to be fair, it's not exactly a who's who list, but he was an absolute star). It makes sense to me that Buffalo would have interest, Franklin excels at a lot of things that Gabe Davis did -- he's just a much better player. He gets open deep, he sets up DBs extremely well, he makes clutch catches routinely, and he runs extremely precise routes. I think perhaps the most promising aspect of Franklin as a prospect? He was pretty much Oregon's only option on 3rd downs, and everyone knew it, yet consistently got open and made the play needed. Looking past his combine, because it sounds like he was sick, his biggest knock against him is probably his hand size -- they're small by NFL standards, which could be an issue -- but I do know that some NFL personnel execs use hand size more as an evaluation metric of natural hands, than a go/no-go determinant (the logic being if you're still a good hands catcher with small hands, that's a more innate skill, versus struggling to catch the ball despite having baseball mitts for hands). I haven't watched the other guys enough to know where, exactly, I'd slot Franklin, but I think he's just a natural WR who's going to succeed, despite perhaps not being a Calvin Johnson-like athlete. Obviously the Duck fan in me would be ecstatic, but so would the Bills fan...

There's absolutely nothing to be learned from this. Zach has played extremely well in Taylor's absence, but: Is only playing BECAUSE of that absence, and he was terrible here. Zach is on another team because he wasn't good enough to stay on our team. This isn't Wyatt Teller 2.0.

It's exactly this. Culture fit, lack of rap sheet, leadership qualities, intelligence, intangibles are all important parts of the process, but they very VERY rarely elevate a below-average athlete to being more than just an average player, at best. Not at all to defend or excuse his actions, but Jefferey Simmons vs. Ed Oliver is another example. Obviously Ed has turned out better than the Boogie situation thus far -- and again, Simmons is a POS -- but he's unequivocally the better and more impactful player. When the goal is to find the best football players, sometimes you need to take chances on talent...

With our glut of WRs and need at LB, I'm wondering if Shaq Thompson might be an option. He's obviously at the end of his career and the Panthers aren't winning anything this year. There's the obvious Carolina Joke/tie-in/McBeane connection, but they need WR talent almost as bad as we need off-ball LBs to support Bryce Young. Shakir and a 4th or 5th feels like a no brainer to both sides, to me...

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but to pretend like Dalvin Cook and Jonathan Taylor are apples:apples is laughable...

Has anyone pointed out (we're now well clear of 300 pages...) that us getting Hopkins would bring all of the previously stated benefits (and risks) but also keep all of our most significant Super Bowl competition from getting them? Of course he comes without risks. Justin Jefferson isn't getting cut tomorrow, nor is TJ Watt. At some point we're going to have to take a risk on a big move. Hopkins' performance last year suggests that he can maintain a high level of play for at least the next year or two, we should all be incredibly excited to even be in the discussion for this kind of move, let alone the odds-on favorites.

Regarding trading up/down or not... I think you HAVE to get another player you think can be a difference maker at a position of need... We need interior OLmen, LB and DL and there's a number still available at each position. If that means moving up because they fly off the board? Go do it. If they slide because other positions get drafted to where you can move back and still get one of those guys? Even better. But you cannot trade down to recoup a worse pick just to do that. In my eyes there's about 10 guys that we need to make sure we get at least one of. THAT'S the priority...

Just say no to Hyatt (okay, maybe in the 3rd...)

Agreed. The problem is the chance he falls all the way to us is virtually 0. We'd have to trade up, at least slightly, to get him. And then the calculus isn't just drafting a 1st rd RB when you've spent a 2nd the year prior and a 3rd the previous 2 years before that... it's also trading sparse draft capital during your championship window... Unless there's a Laremy Tunsil type situation this evening with him or we're able to turn an unneeded player into whatever it takes to move up, I don't see us moving up for Bijan being all that likely...

It's not a super hot take, but Jalin Hyatt -- unless he falls into an absolutely perfect position -- will be a massive bust.