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Definitely. You can also see how it'd be somewhat of a mental thing when coming downhill, too right?

I think Edmunds' biggest issue last year was playing hurt. Yes he's young, no the DL didn't do him any favors, but he also moved like he was playing at about 60% all season, I thought. I also wonder how much Milano being out impacted him.

There's too many ways to slice it to have a "one take fits all" approach to this draft class (or any draft class, really) and the uncertainty with Covid really just accentuates the nuances to that, but here's my best "broad swath" perspective on the class holistically. It's okay; strong in some areas, deep in others, weak across the board in a few... QB class is super top-heavy, but even after the big 5 there are 2 or 3 that may make some noise in the pros. RB class is doo doo after the first 2, I'm not even sold on Williams as being anything resembling a "stud" too far out, guy reminds me of Natrone Means in a lot of ways and -- shockingly -- means always had a tough time with durability. Adding another game to the schedule will do him no favors. WR class is VERY good, bordering on great. You've got 2 practically sure-fire studs and a 3rd who could also be elite if he can cut it at his diminutive size in the pros. Then a LONG list of guys who will either be solid #2 or #3s or who have intriguing potential that's going underappreciated due to covid. TE is like the RB class. 1 GOAT-level stud, a couple other guys who should be somewhat effective and a lot of back-end-of-the-roster guys, at best. OL class is very good. Gunner's talked about the OT class which is talented and deep, but I think the OG and C class is pretty solid too. Not as deep, but when a class looks like it's going to turn out 3-5 (or more) startable players, I tend to think that's at least a solid class. EDGE class is weird. There's a grouping of about 10 guys who realistically, when all's said and done, could all slot just about anywhere in their 1-10 rankings and I wouldn't be shocked. I'm not sure I see a true star among the group, with Phillips being the closest, but having legit questions himself, but because there are quite a few high-ceiling types in this class, I wouldn't be at all surprised to have one or two emerge as a true diamond. DT class is weird too. The big boys/NT/1T types aren't great, but there's also not a lot of separation from top to bottom so I could see quite a few being serviceable. I think the leaner 3T/gap-shooter/1gap type guys are solid, if unspectacular. Barmore's the closest thing to a standout star and has potential to get there, but there's another 8 or 9 guys that I think will have solid NFL careers. LB is solid and deep, but again, unspectacular (though Parsons will be a star if he has his head on right). CB class is a lot like the WRs, 2 or 3 difference makers, another 8-10 guys who should be solid starters and a handful of intriguing upside guys. S class is fairly meh, looks like 4 or 5 guys will make it, but also won't be shocked if there's a CB convert or two who hang in there too, so it's certainly not bad. Looking at this as a Bills fan, I would call drafting 2 or 3 solid players and 1 intriguing upside guy an extremely successful draft, and I think that's certainly achievable. Is it the greatest draft of all time? Certainly not, is it completely devoid of talent? Absolutely not. I think we'll see a good deal more "sleepers" coming out of the 5th and 6th and 7th rounds and probably more early round busts, just due to the limited film and ability to really get into guys' heads that teams have had in the past, but I feel *fine* about it overall.

Probably just too hard to organize and make reasonable since every voter is a bills fan... for better or worse, I think it’s actually informative in showing how important it is for beane to do his thing and move around the draft board.

Basham and Tryon.

My favorite is the fact that people were voting for a 4th rd DE AFTER WE JUST TOOK ONE IN THE FIRST. Probably should’ve been Eskridge or Cox.

So so sad. I’m glad none of us are drafting for the bills in real life.

This isn’t Kiper missing or showing off. He’s done this dance for a decade + now. It’s all about promoting the later rounds and making it seem like every draft is 7 rounds deep (why ESPN hasn’t already done a UDFA special I’m no sure, but feels like we’re getting there). While Mel Kiper may be the founding member of the draftnik community, he’s content on espn is solely to drive engagement and interest in ESPN’s draft coverage now. Anything of him should be taken as solely marketing fluff and not valid or genuine analysis.

It’s not our strongest position, by any means. And obviously in this scenario we’re a little on tilt, so it certainly wouldn’t be the worst pick — far from It. I just think our situation at TE and CB, especially, is rough.

Yeah these options are as unexciting as rd 1. Which is exactly why I expect Beane will move around as much as he’s able to maximize the value of those picks. In this scenario, where we’re not considering trades, it really comes down to value and “playing the board” (incorporating position depth/scarcity into your picks). That’s why I voted Jordan. I’d prefer we collect a bunch of “B” type players than maybe maybe one “B+“ and a bunch of “Cs”. Going purely BPA is the other way to go, and that’s probably Cox, at this point, but that doesn’t really do a lot for us from an improving the roster standpoint... Could work, but I don’t really see G as a massive need either, AND, pushing a T inside isn’t always as easy a transition as it feels like it should be... Like the player a lot (I took him in the first mock we did) but my hope is that we’re able to address a more pressing need this early...

Voted for Jordan due to position scarcity. We need help there and WRs and cbs will be there later. Agree, value-wise. I just don’t think OT is a big need for us...

Look beyond speed my man, this ain’t madden. Feet, balance, vision, durability, agility all matter.

Najee Harris isn’t worth a 3 or a 4 but you want Javian Hawkins in the 2nd???

Yikes

I’m really glad to see that people found this funny, but I was only kind of kidding. I cannot imagine myself NOT counting down the days until the draft. I genuinely feel for the guy.

PM me. No need to derail a thread but let’s get a little more specific about it.

Harris is the best back in this class by a wide margin. I can’t tell if you’re being serious or hyperbolic, but if you’re serious you need to do more work on him. It ain’t all about speed. You got it.

The falcons have all but flat-out admitted they’re trading #4 to the highest bidder. Parsons might fall a little bit, absolutely no way he falls that far. Ditto for Najee. I can get wanting to have different takes but these are... somethin else.

Might want to get checked out. This sounds serious... PLEASE consult a professional. Draft disinterest is no laughing matter.

Brown wouldn’t, arguably. WR would. College stats don’t matter even a little bit. Again, I like him. The bills would trade back for the same reason any team ever trades back? Adding more players and adding more draft picks are different things. If there’s not a standout *best* pick on the board, you can trade down to add to your ability to move around later and still get a player you like equally. Beane having never traded back does mean it can’t happen. (I also included trading up as a potentiality.)

I might.. not because it's a bad pick but would feel a little forced. If the draft falls like most are expecting it to I think we're a near lock to be moving up or back. In the event we move back, could certainly do a lot worse than Brown for sure.

was 2nd on my list had I traded down or if Browning wasn't there.

@VirgilI read the draft board wrong, it's actually The Colts and @mannc who are on the clock. Edited my post, but you might want to edit the title too...

Me too. Bosa on the outside, James coming down in the box... there's a TON you could do with that defense. Would be really fun to watch.