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Haven't scoured this entire thread, so apologies if this was already brought up, buuuuut... If it's true that we're moving to more of a man-based defense, that's going to impact Benford. I don't think I'd go so far to as to say that he's exclusively a zone cb, but it would seem like a pretty massive risk making a top-5/10 positional investment in a guy who's a bit of a square peg/round hole fit. He's probably a better fit as a FS in a man defense. I wonder if those discussions are at least part of the reason why his deal hasn't gotten done yet? That's a tough situation, you want to reward the guy for significantly outplaying his draft spot and hang onto a guy who's been great for you, but a structural change within the framework is now, arguably, making that more difficult and less appealing...

I LOVE DK, but sorry man, that's a bit YIKES from me. Big big overpay. If we're packaging 2 1s, go get Luther Burden instead. His small contract, compared to DK's, would allow us to sign another impact free agent. If we can get DK for Coleman and a 2, awesome. I don't think Seattle's getting a better offer than that elsewhere. If we can't, so be it.

100% with you -- if it were up to me, I'd be using every draft pick I could on player upgrades, not rookies. I just think we need to make 3 or 4 moves with those picks, and there's obviously only a limited number we have at our disposal, so I'd be for doing what's necessary to use those picks as economically as possible. Without looking at the cap ramifications, I'd be looking at packaging Rousseau with a pick or two for Garrett or Crosby; Keon and another pick for DK, etc. No sense going all in on one deal if you can swing 2 or 3!

I did say “probably” 😂

Believe me, I know all about DK. I’m in the PNW and unfortunately the Seahawks are on here EVERY. WEEK. I agree that he’s a stud. I was also probably the most outspoken person on this board wanting him over EO in that draft, so I like him plenty. My POV isn’t that we shouldn’t go for him, just that we have limited resources to fill a lot of holes this offseason, and trading 2 picks AND taking on his big $# severely limits our abilities to affect the other needs.

If we’re packaging 2 1s and a 2 it better damn-well be for Myles Garrett, not a rookie WR lol

Unfortunately, it’s not as easy as identifying position groups. Each position has multiple assignments: pass rush, run stopping, man/zone pass coverage, etc., and even more detailed aspects of where those struggles occurred: interior, exterior, deep, middle, short, up the seam, boundary, field, etc. Compounding that challenge — because we’re not going to be able to address every weakness — is rightly identifying which aspects of the game are going to be the winning approach from our competitors. Gif several years we saw the passing game take center stage, however, three of last year’s most successful teams, including the SB champs, were largely powered by RBs they acquired in the offseason, relatively cheaply. Will other teams follow suit and continue that trend? If we’re going to bring in a game-changing type player (Garrett/Crosby type), McBeane’s biggest challenge is going to be finding solutions to those priorities issues, on the cheap. Yeah if Alexander gets cut and is healthy, that’s a high high priority for me. Allen would be interesting if we could find a good trade for EO, they’re too similar, to me, to pair together.

Yeah I think that’s a little too rich, given his salary. Since he’ be upgrading Keon, I’d try to swap him in for the 2. The Squax will need wrs anyway.

If Alexander gets cut he’s absolutely worth looking seriously into. I would t be too interested in trading for him though, unless the price was extremely reasonable.

Those people were geniuses 😉

Absolutely need to be creative and aggressive in trades this offseason -- that's how we're going to improve the talent on this roster. Since we're staring down the barrel of giving him a ton of money, arguably undeserved, anyway, use Groot to upgrade to Garrett. Hard to imagine other teams are going to be able to beat a young and still talented DE plus, say a 1 and a 2... Could we do the same with Keon? I'm not saying I don't love the guy's personality, but if we could add a future 1 to Keon, might that get us into the discussion for an AJ Brown or Garrett Wilson? Yes to trading Kincaid for any value we can -- beyond not playing 2 TEs, Shakir, Cook, and to a lesser degree, Samuel all render him irrelevant. Benford, if the value is right, could make some sense as well -- especially if we're shifting to more of a man scheme (or we could move him to safety, in that case), but another guy who's lining up for a big payday. Can we get value for him instead of paying him AND avoid another square peg/round hole schematic fit at the same time? Absolutely none of these trades will happen because Beane is a conservative GM. But they should absolutely be explored...

lol no. We were getting killed too. At least we didn’t have to suffer through another SB loss.

Oliver too. I know a lot of y’all like him but he did almost nothing for his first 3 years and has been completely neutralized in the playoffs. For a top 10 pick, that’s a disappointing ROI.

It’s all moot anyway. Worthy would be wasted in this offense.

I guess agree to disagree? He’s 100% right, getting the ball to one specific player isn’t his job. To me that sounds like a guy who’s taking what IS his job seriously and putting the team over any one player. That’s… leadership.

I don’t understand this logic at all. Up to this point he’s caught hell for not taking football seriously enough. But now he answers a question indicating he’s taking it seriously and somehow that’s the wrong answer too? How is he a bad leader by refusing to force the ball to one player instead of doing his actual job which is making the best decisions based on the gameplan and playcalls, regardless of who’s getting the ball? Kyler Murray isn’t employed by Marvin Harrison Jr. Aren’t we the fanbase that’s been so excited all summer to not have Diggs’ diva drama? This sounds an awful lot like that… EDIT: @MJS not trying to call you out specifically, just the most recent on this theme…

He battled wrist, ankle and core injuries at various points. As for size vs. Worthy, think it’s both a relative thing — he’s alight at 6’1 whereas worthy is just all-around a smaller guy, as well as cumulative — bad combine/lost weight, etc. No clue what the deal is but at this point he’s too talented for the lack of risk… Dude only has 17k followers. Without looking deeper into who the hell he is and if he’s legit, hard to believe he’s that well embedded, if at all.

Not to mention the draft process is grueling. I’m a Duck honk so would be super cool to get him but I’m also a Bills fan and the player I saw is a damn good one.

Man… I watched every game of this kid’s career. He played hurt, he played sick, never said a word when he was sitting and learning behind vastly inferior players, never took a play off, was a leader in the locker room. I know you can’t know what’s in a guys heart but I have a VERY hard time believing that he’s dropping due to heart. Size and injury feels exceedingly more likely.

Need a corner, Khyree Jackson would be an awesome scheme fit but from the limited tape I’ve seen of Tampa he could be good too. Need offensive weapons, any combo of Franklin, Jatavion Sanders, Johnny Wilson would be nice. Mo Kamara please.

Unless we’re trading for a vet I think he’s the guy too

Yeah this feels like obvious BS

I’ve said it before on here, he’s a saner Antonio Brown

Yeah I can’t see Coleman as the pick. He’s a guy that’s going to take a couple years and even then may be a specialist type. Doesn’t feel like a great fit for a team trying to win a Super Bowl and needing WRs to step immediately into a starting role. As probably THE loudest guy on this board wanting DK even over Oliver, I feel this one, for sure. Beane probably shouldn’t be anywhere near as Teflon as he is. Guess we’ll see…

Both have had their hits and misses. Again not really my point though. For all we know all of these guys had some major enough red flag that Beane and co. weren’t even considering them. Think of it that way — Reading the hundreds of posts on here and Twitter of fans freaking out about the same 3 or 4 dudes — what a waste of time and energy and emotion, all for something that potentially doesn’t even exist. As with all drafts, only time will tell. That’s one of the biggest challenges in drafting 21 and 22 year old young men, none of them are even grownups yet. I have my opinions and favorites like everyone else, but without more info I have no idea how reasonable or realistic those are.