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Wow, I didn't realize the 34 million wasn't guaranteed in that Cardinals contract. I think Beane realizes we need to get over that hump I feel just like with Von Miller we would find a way if Hopkins was willing to play ball with us. Though if he wasn't I do agree a straight 34 million would be a tough pill to swallow.

I don't think the Bills would be out on him if he was cut. The Cards would still be on the hook for a large portion of his next contract. I also believe we have contracts we could extend or players cut etc in order to get Hopkins a fair market value with the right contract wording.

Yeah, I misread the guarantee as his base salary when I saw it on twitter my bad. Still he is getting close to veteran minimums (according to spotrac that is 1.16m)for a 9 year veteran with some bonus incentives. (And yes I considered workout bonuses and game roster actives as incentives regardless if they cost against the cap because you have to be on the roster to get them they are not part of the base salary I was talking about). 1.805 compared to 1.165 isn't a large jump contract wise. But this is all moot considering I was just using him as an example earlier that many players get less than what their true market value should be due to age / injury. Which I am sure you knew. I am not debating that you didn't. Just posted where I got my numbers from contract wise because you asked.

Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL · 1h #Bills deal for Jordan Phillips one-year, $1.805 million salary $720,000 guaranteed), $500,000 signing bonus after passing physical, $35,000 per game active roster bonus, up to $595,000, $100K offseason workout bonus, playtime incentive up to $750K, sacks incentive up to $850K

I can agree with that I didn't mean they were getting veteran minimums but they are getting less than what their talent would be worth based on comparable stats and production at the position due to age and injury history. A healthy Phillips is well worth the deal we signed him to last year meanwhile he is only getting 750k plus incentives in his one year deal this year. Which if isn't the veteran minimum it is low enough to make my point stand.

Eh, age and injury has a big effect. You can be talented and still end up getting vet mins. See our very own Shaq Lawson and Jordan Phillips for examples. I won't lie a lot of my criteria is personal eye test and probably has some bias towards Bills players due to watching them more. But, I still argue many posters on this board act like our players are scrubs and every other teams players are gods.

Obviously not everyone realizes this or I wouldn;t have had an all day argument with individuals attacking my take we had better weapons that just weren't used correctly or injured. Instead claiming how bad our wrs are compared to KC's and that we need to get all new weapons because that's how KC did it. Insead of realizing KC schemes to the players to get open and quickly.

My argument was that KC schemes better and gets more out of worse talent which in my opinion you proved with your numbers. They got better numbers out of worse talent. Mahomes makes more out of less. As for free agency figures I could care less. Every year players are paid well more than they are worth. Look at Zay Jones and Christian Kirk. They got paid insane money that same contract year. But much like with whorlnut (who I have on ignore now due to his condescending childish tone while debating with me) I am done arguing this junk. Agree to disagree. It is just my opinion that they make bad players look better and great players look even better with there exemplary offensive scheming. I feel even their oline is made to look better because they get the ball out so quickly. Our oline would have looked better if Allen didn't hold the ball so long out of necessity due to his arm injury and only throwing the ball deep to prevent increased elbow injury.

Still put up quality wr 2 stats - 836 yards 7 tds. You act like he didn't still put up good numbers.

If you are healthy and can run and jump it effects your body position for where you catch the ball also the ability to separate from the cb so the catches are easier.. Absolutely effects catching. Whoops yourself. Still would take Shakiir over Moore. Keep thinking your opinion and condescending tone is more relevant than mine that is your right and I disagree with it.

I think you just are over critical on our group as you watch them all the time and can pick them apart easier. I wouldn;t take JuJu or Hardman over a healthy Gabe Davis. Davis played hurt last season. Even hurt he still played at a similar level. Sky Moore isn't good at all. You liked him last draft I am assuming and kept that crush.. We had a very solid roster last season our oc just got locked into poor schemes because Allen got hurt early with the elbow issue and they didn;t want to stress it with many short throws. Hence why our game plan was all deep balls and play action runs. I will agree they probably had better rbs I forgot about Pacheco. But wrs? Nope and my argument was we minus diggs they minus kelce they have way less weapons which I still believe. The Cjiefs are just better at scheming their players open and when not Mahomes does mroe with less to make crazy things happen. I'm done arguing though I don;t agree with your bad take and you can disagree with what you feel is my bad take.

Juju is average the guys we were bringing off the street are as good or better than him. If they werent older vets they would be getting those contracts as well. All Juju has for him is age. Gabe Davis on the open market would of gotten the top contract this year similar to the crazy bucks wrs were getting last year. But, I'm done arguing you won't agree with me and I'm sure as heck not agreeing with you as I'm certain I am correct.

You are telling me he had better / more offensive weapons on that Chiefs offense than the Bills did last year. I'm not arguing he had an amazing oline. I am saying weapons wise the Bills had way more, and still have way more. I disagree majorly here. Minus Diggs for us and Kelce for them we still have/ had better running backs and wrs and a top te in Knox. We just couldn;t scheme well as Allen was hurt and couldn't throw short passes well. So everything had to be deep passes and poor run calls w/out a lot of screens etc.

Diggs is always going to want the ball more and Allen is always going to want to carry the team on their back it is their alpha mentality not a weapons / roster issue. We could win the Superbowl and if either of them didn't take league mvp they would feel the same.

Okay, so it is just you making an assumption. Good to know. I wasn't taking a shot at you I was just curious if I had missed quotes or otherwise. I don;t feel the wr corps was that bad. Mahomes does more with less. I think we had an oc problem more than our wr corps 9the guy our qb wanted so I doubt he had an issuewith him as he backed him to be the oc in the first place). I expect a better offense overall come next season with some experience under his belt. Yes, our oline is / was horrid I can agree there but we have already address the biggest issue which was Saffold who allowed interior push and bullrushes like a turnstile at the train station. Killing any chance Allen had at a pocket most the season.

When has Allen shown he is unhappy with the weapons or line? For that matter Diggs..? Did I miss a quote towards the end of last season or this offseason? If anything both seemed unhappy with themselves like they somehow need to up their game. Diggs upping his game by getting the ball more to help carry the offense and Allen being Allen thinking he needs to carry the team on his back. Which both think every year. Only people unhappy with the offensive line or weapons openly are the fans. All I've seen is a Diggs tweet saying Gabe Davis has wr1 potential and Beasley blaming the defensive collapse not the offense that scored plenty enough points to win.

I don't think he makes it out of the top couple picks in the second round. Pittsburg has the first pick in the second round and a glaring need at lb. The rams have a glaring hole at lb among a ton of other positions, The Saints have a big need, and a the Vikings. That's off the top of my head. There may be a couple other teams.

I agree we would obviously have to redo his contract and make as much as possible of it signing bonus / get Arizona to eat a bunch of the cap otherwise. Teams make signings / trades like this and get them to circumvent the cap all the time. I don't see how Buffalo couldn't make it work either. Hopkins has been quoted earlier in the off season to be willing to restructure/ renegotiate his contract to go to the Cowboys perhaps he is willing to do that with other teams as well.

I know everyone says we are not in on Hopkins but I feel like we could potentially be now that OBJ signed with the Ravens. Beane was openly in on OBJ. Which means we are likely looking for another wr 1a/1b type wr. I don;t see us being able to get that in the draft unless we trade up very high of which will be more expensive than trading for Hopkins. I feel like the only thing that would keep us from Hopkins would be the salary issue as many have stated. But, If I were a betting man we are not out of a potential Hopkins deal or trying to sign him when / if he gets cut. It would be more impactful and cost less than trading up in the draft for a wr.

Start packing your fandom bags. It is very highly likely that is the route they go. LB, DT, and DE can all be argued to be needs for a starter or depth rotation and can also be argued based on projections would all be bpa at our pick or just barely need reaches. Add to that a relatively weak wr class and the Bills supposedly sold on our tackles and already have gone the fa route for guards I am betting picking d is likely unless we go te or Bijan Robinson is available at our pick. But if I were a betting man it is 75/25 we pick defense in the first if we even draft in the first and don't trade down.

He isn't a reach in the late 1st. Especially knowing he won't last to our pick in the second round. His physical combine numbers are very close to what Luke Keuchley's were. Also, coincidentally he has been training with Keuchley

Trenton Simpson, and Roschon Johnson

He can't pass cover worth beans is the issue.

This thread is a joke (mainly the replys). We went 13-3 in the regular season last year and outside of middle linebacker we have upgraded or maintained status quo most positions from last year. Our biggest issue at the end of the season were the injury bug that took Vonn and Hyde early in the season. We will have them back healthy next season. I don't understand where all the sky is falling is coming from. We are still the team to beat in the East (The Jets haven't proven crap and the jury is still out on if Tua can stay healthy.) Step off the ledge friends. It will be okay.

Thanks