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2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
...but would you say they are woefully overpaying for very good versus elite?...........
Yes, I think NFL teams have overpaid a few guys who were very good vs actually being elite. Guys like Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins come to mind. With that said, the majority of the best paid NFL QB’s are elite. I just see the trend of contract demands becoming greater every season, and QB’s are leading the charge. When I see the rumors of what Dak wants, it’d make me reconsider how I view the QB position if I were a GM. I’d never be afraid to let an average QB who I don’t believe will ever be elite test the free agent market. I’d rather draft someone with that potential, as opposed to overpaying for years of mediocrity.
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1 hour ago, Nester said:
Elite Nick Foles & Joe Flaco? ?
There will always be outliers, but I would never build a team by heavily investing in a mediocre QB. Mediocre QB’s used to win titles far more frequently than they do these days.
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2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
Prescott is a really good qb. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
The quarterback market could get very interesting in today’s NFL. That position has more value than anytime in the history of the league. Teams are looking for elite, as opposed to just very good. Titles are won in the modern NFL by elite QB’s.
I question giving big money to a guy like Dak. I agree that he is a good QB, but can he ever be elite in the same category as guys like Brees, Brady, or Rodgers? In past era’s Dak is a guy you resign in a heartbeat. Now you need to ask yourself if Dak is someone who can win the Lombardi. I’m not convinced the answer to that question is yes. I’m also not certain he can go head-to-head with elite QB’s, and come out on top. That fact alone would make it very difficult for me as a GM to sign him to a big long term deal. Going forward it will be interesting to see if GM’s will start to agree with that sort of logic. I have no issue with the Wentz deal though. It’s simply not as difficult to envision Wentz becoming a true elite QB if he can stay healthy.
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On 6/14/2019 at 11:52 AM, Captain Hindsight said:
Yeah I was a Tyrod supporter until I saw what it looks when a QB actually throws the ball. Fitzpatrick has those teams in the playoffs. Allen has those teams in the playoffs.
Fitzpatrick never has, nor never will have any team in the playoffs. TT and Fitz are both low level starters, and decent backups. They aren’t guys you want leading a playoff team. However, if I had a playoff roster and had to choose one of them to lead, I’d pick Tyrod. TT is consistent and doesn’t make huge mistakes. Fitz goes from looking elite one week, to playing like a slightly better Peterman the next. Taylor could ride the coattails of a good defense and running game to the playoffs. Fitz would always make enough mistakes to knock his team out of the playoffs. For every great game Fitz plays, he plays about four terrible ones.
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On 6/8/2019 at 4:45 PM, LSHMEAB said:
BB was a mere mortal before Tom Brady came around. If he continues to lose velocity, the end could be quick and ugly.
This is a QB driven league, so I have no doubt that BB will feel the loss of Brady. We’d start to see the Pats lose to teams with elite QB’s, and superior rosters. This doesn’t take away from the fact that BB is a top notch coach. I can’t envision the Pats continuing to hoist the Lombardy, but I’m confident BB would win games. I could see them becoming a middle of the road team who’s always in the mix.
BB has a long history of success in the NFL. No question he doesn’t win as many titles without Brady, but he still had a track record as a decent coach. I’m not sure where the narrative comes from that BB was a total bum as a football coach before the Pats. I understand his failure with the Browns, but I think he needed to learn the leadership portion of being a head coach. BB has always excelled with the x’s and o’s. The proof is in his two titles as D coordinator with the Giants, and a number one ranked defense with the 94 Browns.
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3 hours ago, CommonCents said:
Pats are nothing like the Warriors. Coaching matters in the NFL. What BB did to the Rams was gross.
The Warriors win with talent. Too many injuries, it’s not like they got old and fell off the map.
Exactly. Sometimes us Bills fans are blinded by our disdain for the Pats. It’s ok to admit that BB is an all time great head coach. He consistently makes opposing coaches look like complete fools. BB is on another planet as far as coaching is concerned. McDermott, Gase, and Flores aren’t going to out coach him. The best hope to beat the Pats is their talent declines, and opposing teams can develop superior talent. I don’t see many coaches ready to dethrone BB.
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I could do without the clickbait trash from PFT. I’m calling on all of my fellow TBD members to boycott that trash site!!
With that being said this is pretty much the exact same situation that it’s been forever. It’s posturing. A new stadium or a massive renovation is absolutely coming. That has ALWAYS been the case. Everyone is going to try to leverage the other side to pick up as much of the tab as they can. At the end of the day it will be a public/private partnership where each side picks up their piece.
My one wish is that this whole thing didn’t play out in the media. When comments like this are made, trash media, like PFT, will create their own narrative for clicks. The uneducated now believe that they are in jeopardy of leaving.
I couldn’t agree with this more. Kelly’s charity event also seems like such an inappropriate setting to publicly mention this issue. It shows very little class or tact imo. Things are like this are what gives the NFL such a bad name.
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I love this team, but thinking about Wall of Shame candidates gets depressing. A Wall of Shame wouldn’t do this franchise justice, we need a Hall of Shame.
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5 minutes ago, Rico said:
Butch Byrd. Absolutely no one from the 21st century teams should be considered before him.
This^ I have little interest in drought era players on the wall until all else has been exhausted.
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5 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
I do think in some ways getting elected to the NFL hall of fame is too easy and too hard to get elected to the baseball HOF so likely there are other marginal players in there too. But also may be due to the fact that baseball players have easily measurable stats like HR's RBI, ave, ERA, etc. What's an offensive lineman have to measure against?
It has to be hard on the voters to decide as you can see much more "tape" of today's players compared to guys who did get elected and those who just missed getting in from 40 years ago. How many of today's voters even saw someone like Johnny U or Bart Starr even play. But that's the job of the votors to sort through all that.
His comparison against Aikman is fair until you get to the Super Bowl wins. And very likely Aikman was also marginal, but what did get him over the top were the championship wins.
Not sure this article will help very much as can see voters now thinking, can't vote for him else it will look like anyone who feels slighted, get some attention on it and we'll vote yes.
Baseball stats are not only more measurable, but also less dependent on teammates. Some of baseball’s biggest stars haven’t gotten close to being on a successful team. That’s something you’ll rarely say about big time NFL players. Having an HOF football career can be heavily dependent on circumstance. Baseball players are able to put up big numbers independently. A guy like Aikman was placed in a great situation, and made the most of it. Other players at his level won’t be in the HOF because they weren’t fortunate enough to be in such a situation. Baseball is more of black and white game, while football has a lot of gray area and is so wonderful because it’s such a microcosm of life.
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2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:
I agree. He is very close but ultimately you got to say no. He's literally missing like one additional footnote in his resume like one more super bowl appearance or one more season with 3500 yards and 90 QB Rating or a league MVP season.
But yeah, if you open it up for McNabb then guys like Romo, Stafford and even Bledsoe will come calling.
Yeah, it’s impossible to answer what McNabb’s defining moment was. I think that’s what keeps him out of the HOF. He was really good, but lacks a signature moment or achievement. As mentioned by another poster, his career came to an ugly end with Washington and Minnesota. Had he been able to sustain his career average stats for a few more years, then he’d have more of case. McNabb’s successful years came in a short window by modern QB standards. Elite QB’s playing up to and beyond forty seems to be the new norm. That really raises the bar for induction into the HOF as a QB.
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1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:
Kelly got a 15 & Marino got a 16. I wouldn't hold a 13 Wonderlic against him. Who knows what the class of 2018 will look like in 5 years? I don't care as long as everyone rates Josh Allen #1 in due time.
Also, give Jackson a break. Aren't there rules against players & coaches communication in the off-season? Blame the players association.
I wouldn’t want to depend on Jackson to become my franchise QB, but I agree there is no need to obsess over Wonderlic scores. I’d be more concerned with his ability as a passer. He won’t succeed if he doesn’t become a competent passer, and it really won’t have much to do with some test score.
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8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
Where to start,,,
first : Kareem hunt , cut
ray rice, cut
aldon smith , cut ( super duper talented)
i can go on...
I NEVER ONCE SAID HE IS A TOP END TALENT. I said he has good tools and could’ve became a starter... Scouts agreed coming out but his off field issues were wayyy to big... HES A QB, the CEO and a knucklehead so he was takin off boards
he has been kicked out of 2 schools since 17.. did coke, been arrested and ran on a HS field and hit a player
far from minor... if that was me I’d be in prison
Every player with the exception of franchise QB’s are viewed as at least somewhat disposable in today’s NFL. It’s much easier to release a big time running back than a franchise QB. NFL teams will always make the socially/culturally prudent move if they don’t fear it will hurt their bottom line/success too much. This is why Kareem Hunt is no longer a Chief, while Big Ben is the face of the Steelers and very popular among NFL fans. Look at a guy like Ray Rice. It really wasn’t daring for that team release a washed up running back. I didn’t see the same franchise release Ray Lewis. The amount of chances a player receives is directly related to their on field value.
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3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
If he was simply that talented, no team would let him go. This the NFL--it's loaded with wife beaters, child bloodiers, social media baby-momma disparagers, random woman kickers/punchers, drug dealers, weapons smugglers and future serial rapists and killers. If he was what you say, every team would see this and not dump him for this relatively (for the NFL) minor stuff.
Too may be pretty good, be he's no AJ Mccarron........
Great points. Kelly was likely a mid round choice if not for his off the field issues. He wasn’t a first round talent according to the scouting reports. Had Kelly been a first round draft choice, that incident in Denver wouldn’t have gotten him released. Roethlisberger’s career in Pittsburgh is loaded with off field chaos. The difference is Big Ben was a first round pick who had early success.
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On 5/22/2019 at 6:39 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:
He’s getting chances because he’s Jim Kelly’s nephew. He was the last pick of the draft by Elway (who has been awful with evaluating qbs and is Kelly’s friend) and just got signed by Reich, Kelly’s friend. I think his talent is completely overrated here because of his last name.
and I love people who can find redemption after screwing. I freely admit I don’t root for guys who had everything handed to them and continuously blew it but keep getting chances because of their family or connections. But that’s just my own bias haha.
I agree. Most of this board seems to believe that Kelly is throwing away immense potential. Of course he has talent, otherwise he wouldn’t be an NFL QB. The issue is the fact that Bills fans overrate his talent. I don’t see any national media outlets comparing the Chad Kelly story to Todd Marinovich or Ryan Leaf.
No place outside of TBD is it universally agreed upon that Chad Kelly was destined to be an NFL great had he stayed out of trouble. Sure, he is physically gifted, but there was never a legit consensus that Kelly was the next great NFL QB. He’s just another NFL QB, aside from the fact that he keeps trying to destroy his own career. No one ever said he was the next Peyton Manning. TBD members are wearing “Bills goggles” when evaluating this dude.
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On 5/19/2019 at 11:24 PM, The Frankish Reich said:
I think you're right about that ... EJ didn't expressly mention race, but it was taken as such by other commenters.
By the way, my final example of guys who have a job -- my Example F -- is none other than Matt Barkley. If there's one guy who clearly has a poorer body of work than EJ, it's Barkley, and Barkley is the one with a contract.
It’s not like Barkley has a job while Manuel got chased out of the league though. I’m seeing a lot of posts around here making it sound as if Manuel couldn’t find employment. He had just signed a deal with the Chiefs before retiring. Manuel chose to retire, he didn't fail to find a job. Lower tier guys can stick around for a long time as a backup. Manuel would have been given a chance to compete in KC. He chose to walk away.
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On 5/4/2019 at 11:59 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
...we had a corporate suite for 20 years and brought people from Roch-Cha-Cha on limo bus for all home games.......quietly did a pre-game tailgate cookout in the bus/limo lot which seemed relatively tame.....just a speculative hunch that the national media circus about table diving was NOT the image President Kim wants to portray...so now we're in "image cleanup mode" starting with this lot.......
Just another example of people who take things a little too far ruining it for everyone.
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1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:
True. Blowout is subjective. There were 5 games in which we were absolutely dominated.
It's only 7 if you include the Chargers (31-20) and Pats Road(24-12). The score doesn't scream blowout, but we were never in those games.
What I love about McDermott as a coach thus far is that he's found a way to win more close games than he loses. That's big in this league. The blowouts, however, are a legitimate concern.
I was also concerned with the blowouts losses last season. After having the off-season to reflect I’m far less worried. Two of the blowout losses were Nathan Peterman starts, and an additional two were Derek Anderson starts (if you even consider the MNF home loss to the Pats a true blowout, as we were in it until quite late in the game). The shutout in Green Bay was quite early in Allen’s season as well. If this happens again, I’ll be very worried.
I think it’s important to put those blowout losses in context. That’s something talking heads such as Cowherd never do when they have a narrative to sell. He’s always been a big numbers guy, but frequently neglects the intricacies of sports that can’t be measured with numbers.
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7 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:
Let's hope!
I'll give Cowherd credit for digging enough to mention the 7 blowouts. That's more than you'll hear from the average talking head.
Except I’m not sure there were really 7 blowouts. I know that it happened far too often, but I don’t think 7 times is entirely accurate tbh. I guess it depends on your definition of “blowout”.
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4 hours ago, FLFan said:
I have never had any respect for Colin Cowherd and this lame opinion certainly changes nothing. Not even worth arguing.
This^ I’ve never been some homer who gets upset when the media disses the team. There is some truth to the fact they still have much to prove. He’s just an instigator who makes his career kissing up to big market sports. He loves dissing small markets and dismisses all their fans as backward hillbillies or something (although he’s the man with the word cow in his surname). He just likes putting this stuff out there so angry Bills insult him giving him a story that fits his narrative/schtick.
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On 4/29/2019 at 3:06 PM, Gordio said:
Be careful with assuming things. There are some pretty detailed, pretty bad stories about JK in his younger years that I have heard. MY guess is if JK would of been playing today with all the social media etc....he may have some legal problems of his own.
I hear ya, and completely believe it. Out of control pro athlete behavior isn’t really surprising. I guess my point is that JK never paid the price for his antics as far as on field success is concerned. Chad has thrown away multiple opportunities by getting kicked off teams. JK never got caught, Chad gets caught all the time. We don’t know if JK would have smartened up had he been kicked off a team. Chad’s repeat offenses are what troubles me. I’m not making a moral judgment, there’s just something to be said for being smart enough to not make the same mistake twice. Guys like JK who never got in legal trouble don’t have much motivation to change. Chad needed to change long ago because he’s thrown away his career.
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4 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:
Chad getting another chance is the same reason coaches in this league get multiples ones.
The issue with Chad is that he has yet to prove himself as a competent NFL starter. There isn’t enough film on him in a starting role to prove that. We hear all about his immense talent on this board, but he has yet to prove himself at the pro level. Somehow he keeps getting chances. Most unproven guys would have been out of football long ago with his track record. If he were a proven NFL talent then I’d understand.
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3 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:
This kid is an absolute loser. I'm sick of him getting a million opportunities.
Don’t worry this is his last chance (I think), and history shows it’s almost certain he’ll blow it.
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Just now, SCBills said:
Safe to say we may be looking at Sills vs Duke vs McKenzie for WR5, given our WR6 is our KR/PR?
I’d consider McKenzie gone at this point. I don’t see any chance he makes this roster.
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I agree, there’s too much desperation when it comes to finding a QB. I’m just not drafting guys like Daniel Jones or Blake Bortles in spots where they go these days, but I can also understand with the position being have so importance in the league today.