Ethan in Cleveland

Bust is an overstatement and I am always careful to use that word too soon. However I think it is more fair to say Oliver, Ford, Epenesa, and Edmunds have all underperformed their draft status. Yes they are all starters and yes Edmunds for a brief 8 or 10 game stretch played like a ProBowler. But for the most part these high draft picks have been at best average to poor. I am still a big fan of Knox (more so than most on this board) but to be fair he has been at best inconsistent too. He has had some really nice picks too in Gabe Davis and the jury is still out on Moss/Singletary.

Daboll reports to McD. The buck stops at the head coach. This loss and the KC loss is all on McDermott. He is the Achilles heel of this team. I just feel this is Tampa Bay with Dungy repeating itself. I will say, Mcd does a good job of rallying his team and righting the ship. He gets the team to respond, that may be his best coaching quality. Hopefully he will learn from this and force Daboll into more balance.

No we don't. This starting 5 never played a single snap together last year

McD is coaching in the wrong era. 53 yard FG is not a big deal even outdoors. Perfect kicking conditions. Bass is a weapon. Need to take advantage of it.

Oh I agree he was not the biggest issue. I was just responding to the notion that 7 yard completions are somehow a bad thing?

Wow. Didn't the Bills just lose to 7 yard passes all day while our QB was missing wide open guys down the field or pressing it into double coverage? I will take dink and dunk and safe all day long.

People saying Beane did nothing for the o-line. He brought back Williams and the starting 5 never played together last year. Players can develop. Ford and Boettger can get better. I've never been that enamored with Morse but he is a capable pass blocker and he's the least of the worries on the team. Daboll should be forced to watch every KC game and see what a TE can do for the offense.

You are correct. We are stuck with him and his poor decisions. Assuming they make the playoffs this year (which is going to happen) he is the coach in 21 and 22.

I can't find it now but there was a thread earlier this summer on most likely rookie QB to be a star. Most chose Lawrence but I went with Trey Lance. I will stick by my predication and check back in two or three years...

Why? Cleveland looks far better than Bills at this point.

Wow Browns look great

OP you don't even have the four most impactful plays. 1. Missed TD to Sanders 2. Missed blocks on KO return that should have been a TD 3. Blocked punt for TD 4. 4th and 8 and they don't kick a FG McD pisses away money and roster spots on special teams and they still cost us 11 points.

Criticism does not equate into hate. Allen didn't play well. He missed a wide open TD by 5 yards with no pressure. That just can't keep happening.

Cleveland too Washington also

Agreed. He has got to play Knox more. There is no threat to run the ball when they line up 4 and 5 WRs.

100% agree!!!

Yeah I think so too. My guess is it was a tackle eligible. His blocker was setting up to pass block not block downfield. The tackle Brown who lined up eligible fell down.

Yup. Did you also see Spain playing guard for them. What happened to that guy in Buffalo? He would start over any of our current guards.

You are missing the big picture. Its not about one game against a good team. Its about McD losing in the big games. It's a valid concern.

Edmunds sucks and they dropped 7 on almost every play.

Well this will be a real test for McD. He usually gets his team to respond to adversity. Can't go 0-2 in the AFC to start the season.

This was awful. Im in Portland and went to Ohio State for medical school. Hate the Ducks..

That was PI. He was there early

Daboll reports to McD. McD approves the game plan.

Nope it was Matakevich and Klein