Ethan in Cleveland

Knox is top 10 talent but just doesn't have the numbers. Maybe this year with a new OC. Dawkins was playing at a top 5 level late last season. He struggled early. Morse is just outside top 10. Oliver I can see anywhere from 7 to 15, and getting better every year. Didn’t like the pick but he is a solid starter. And of course PFF sees the same thing we do in Edmunds. He is nowhere near a top 10 LB. Hope he plays like one this year.

Agree. I didn't like but was ok with the Rex hire. I thought he would keep Schwartz and just add some of his blitz concepts. People forget he took a bad Jets team to back to back AFC Conference championship games with Sanchez. If he had just left the defense to Schwartz and had the same results on offense Bills would have been a contender just like the Ravens are year after year. Rex in game decisions were ok I thought too. But he got silly and stupid with his devotion to his outdated defense, his brother, and stuff like choosing captains for the week based on antagonizing the opponents.

All good points. It does however make Beane's argument that he had to clean up the cap situation when he got here a bit nonsensical.

This is such a funny thread. The same group of people that are complaining someone called the Bills irrelevant are the same ones that complained the Bills did not get any love or attention from the media. Not making the playoffs for 17 years while starting QBs like EJ, Trent, Orton, and Peterman pretty much is the definition of irrelevant. Having the best QB in the league makes you a SB favorite and media darling.

There is very good human performance data that working more than 50 hours a week significantly negatively impacts performance. That he spends that amount of time in the office is not going to improve performance. As others have said, all that time in the office did not prevent a miscommunication with the kickoff in KC. It did not help him decide to defend against a FG instead of a TD. His challenge rate is poor though better last year. Two point conversion offense and defense has been very poor during McD tenure.

To be fair McD's defense got destroyed against New Orleans giving up over 200 yards rushing that was a precursor to other flops by the defense. It was McD that chose to start Peterman on the road against the Chargers. It was McD that hired and fired his OC after one year. One might argue Bills made the playoffs despite McD's decisions. And lastly the tank job was McD's second season when they fielded a non-competitive team by Beane's own admission.

I'd watch college football and do woodworking on Sundays. If not for the Bills I'm not sure I would follow NFL anymore. That's more of an answer if the Bills left Buffalo. If they signed Watson or any other player ith these accusations knowingly I would probably pause on following them. I like others tend to think Beane and McD wouldn't sign this type of player. But those that say Beane has a moral compass or something like that don't really know. He tried to sign Antonio Brown when it was known he had issues in Pittsburgh. Both McD and Beane kept Incognito on the team and playing after he started drinking again. Knowing he was drinking again Beane still offered Incognito a contract albeit as a salary cut. Beane and McD stood by Dodson after being suspended for domestic abuse. They signed Trent Murphy a known PED cheat. Again while I believe there are lines such as acquiring a guy like Watson that Beane and McDermott would not cross, neither of those guys are altruistic saints.

He has eight SB rings. You really think he is not a top tier coach any more? What McD accomplished with TT and that bunch of WR's is very impressive. So is Belichick getting to the playoffs with a rookie QB. The two don't need to be mutually exclusive. As for the playoff game, I was there and there was simply no stopping Allen that day. Everything worked including the throw away TD to Knox. No team was beating the Bills at home in that setting on that day. He has eight SB rings. You really think he is not a top tier coach any more? What McD accomplished with TT and that bunch of WR's is very impressive. So is Belichick getting to the playoffs with a rookie QB. The two don't need to be mutually exclusive. As for the playoff game, I was there and there was simply no stopping Allen that day. Everything worked including the throw away TD to Knox. No team was beating the Bills at home in that setting on that day.

How do you figure that? He took a team with a rookie QB to the playoffs and beat the Bills at home throwing the ball three times. Seems he is still at the top of his game. I agree he is a terrible GM but would you want any other coach to game plan to win one game other than Belichick?

OMG this has to be a joke! I have not shied away from criticizing McDermott but there is no way in hell he is 18th in the league. He is not without his faults, but he is easily a top 10 coach and leagues ahead of some of these clowns like McCarthy and Kingsbury ranked ahead of him. McDermott sticks true to his roots as a former defensive coordinator, helming strong units on that side of the ball while not always getting expected results out of his offenses based on talent level. And this description is 180 degree false. It's the defense that has let us down time and again while the offense has been great. Anyone that even casually followed the Bills would know the QBs they faced last year were garbage and the defense cost us the SB.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34047704/after-nearly-40-seasons-coaching-nfl-romeo-crennel-73-announces-retirement He had little success as a HC but spent most of his time in Cleveland. Who has had success there? Given his longevity at the DC position and multiple stops outside of New England, I wonder what people think of him as a coach? He would have one of the better track records after leaving New England. Also I read this on wikipedia. I was not aware he witnessed the death himself. That must have been horrific. On December 1, 2012, Crennel attempted to prevent the suicide of player Jovan Belcher by talking to him and witnessed his death by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

OC of the year with Cam Newton

It would be nice if Moss has a rebound season. He was supposed to be that bruiser back. He had some good runs last season. I was not aware he was dealing with an injury until Beane's end of year press conference. If it was known I missed it. Singletary and Cook are locks. I suspect they will keep Jones another year. That leaves one roster spot for Moss vs Johnson. I'd rather they get rid of Jones and keep both Moss and Johnson but knowing this staff I don;t think that will happen. My hunch is Moss wins the third RB spot and Johnson is a training camp cut.

They were just a few examples off the tops of my head... And Cousins was highest at the time of his first contract with Minn On March 15, 2018, Cousins signed with the Minnesota Vikings on a fully guaranteed three-year contract worth $84 million.[88] This is the first fully guaranteed and, as of signing, highest paying contract in NFL history.

I'd put Kelly ahead of guys like Griese and Warner. I dont think either of those guys belong in HOF. Kelly most clearly does. He's just not in the top 10 QB list any longer. More like 15-20. I feel like Kelly was a better QB than Bradshaw but similar in many ways. More distributor than passer. Marino was a far better QB with a much worse team. Aikman is another controversial guy. He had the perfect RB, TE, OL, and WR group. All he had to do was not turn the ball over, and he didn't. Is he a better QB than Kelly? Ugh he won more but not sure he was a better QB. I never thought Dallas won because of Aikman but I also never thought they lost because of him. I dont see Kelly thriving today like Brees and Brady. But I could see with the right coach and system he could have been like Favre. Similar playing styles only Favre had the stronger arm.

And Kelly didn't? He was awful in all four SB games and not much better in the playoff games. 21 TD against 28 INT. In only two seasons 88 and 89 did he have more TD than interceptions.

His helmet came off for a reason. If Allen got hit like that I'm sure we would scream for a suspension too. But I have no idea what the defender is supposed to do. As long as they don't launch themselves, its really unfair to the defender when the QB slides late or the WR changes the target spot.

It only takes one. The same professionals that draft JaMarcus Russell or sign Albert Haynesworth and Kirk Cousins to massive contracts are the ones that will make him a top 3 offer. No GM is perfect. Beane signed Williams to a large dollar extension only yo have him moved to guard and cut a year later. They all make mistakes.

Adding Peters pushes Dawkins to LG and takes an average OL to a great one. Clements over Winfield? In this defense Winfield would seem to he the perfect CB. I chose Schobel over Maro Williams but Williams at his prime was better than Schobel. Schobel was just more consistent over a longer period of time for the Bills. Plus he and Ruben Brown lead my short list of most underrated Bills of all time.

What professionals? We don't know that. Beane hasn't extended him yet. Though I agree someone is going to make the mistake of paying him top 3 money. I guess we just disagree that he is good at what he is asked to do. If you think his run support is good well I just don't know what to say. Yes he missed Colts game but he played Pats home game where defense gave up 225 rush yards. We don't run a 4-2 because of Edmunds and Milano. We run a 4-2 because most teams base offense is now a three WR 1 RB group with a TE that flexes out. And it works because Taron Johnson is the best nickel CB in the league and they have two great safeties. Has nothing to do with Edmunds. When they let Edmunds walk after this year they will still play nickel more than 60% of the time next year. Nothing would make me happier than to see Edmunds dominate. He is still young and if he played like an elite MLB for the next five years I would be ecstatic. That said if it comes down to paying Poyer, Knox, or Edmunds I pay Poyer and Knox and draft a new MLB next year.

Just curious, what other rosters are in your top 3 or 4? Right now I think Buffalo is #2. They have serious question marks at the two starting corner spots that could end up being two great players by year's end. Also questions at both guard spots and RT though on paper they look better than last year. They have more depth at TE and RB than last year. I like the WR group as much or more than last year. I would rank: 1. Tampa 2. Buffalo 3. LA Chargers 4. KC 5. LA Rams To answer the OP, the postion I have the most concern has to be CB #1 and #2. By the middle of the season if Tre is healthy he and Elam may be one of the best CB tandems in the league. But as of now you have a guy coming off an ACL and a rookie. That is a lot of unknown. As much as I bash Edmunds, I dont think he will play worse than he did last year. In fact in a contract year he probably will be a bit better. After the two corner spots my next concern is RT. Brown was not good in pass protection and there is some depth but not much. If Brown plays better they have RT solved for a decade.

You apparently didn't watch how poorly Edmunds played last year. For long stretches of the season he was the 2nd worst player on defense. The worst was whoever was lined up next to Oliver at DT. He was truly awful last year. Go back and watch him exclusively. He made 3 maybe 4 great plays all year. He made a nice INT playing trail coverage in the middle against a garbage QB, but it was still a solid play. Other than that a few nice tackles around the LOS. People say he has range and plays the zone well. Actually he doesn't at all. Just like he has no clue in run defense he gets lost in zone coverage. He actually is much better in man coverage. I did not see a single pass given up when he played man on the RB out of the backfield.

Good topic 1. Jason Peters 2. Reuben Brown 3. Aaron Schobel It was painful to leave off Spikes and Winfield. But I prioritized pass rush and the OL.

I'd rather they brought back Sanders, but this looks like a pure competition between Stevenson and him for the punt return spot. They don't have any good options at CB to return kicks. Again, i'd rather they bring back Sanders, cut Kumerow and Stevenson and let Hyde just field the punts and never take the chance of a penalty on a return.

Love Brady giving everyone crap for not knowing what the Zapruder film reference means.