Ethan in Cleveland

Still readjusting to 1pm football. Made a Home Depot run and will have some time to install some new USB outlets and timer switches in the new house. What are your pregame non tailgating activities while waiting for the 1pm kickoff?

I tend to agree. Pretty sure they said the same thing about basketball in Toronto back in the day. The difference is that basketball was already international with the Olympics and European players becoming stars in the NBA. There is no international pipeline of players to grow football overseas. Add to that, are there 4 more QBs that are starting quality? Another 200 players that can play at the NFL level? I dont think so.

Lol we can't even define a catch nor when the clock is supposed to stop on the out of bounds line either...

Great choice. Great call and great camera work.

The play sums up NFL so well. The teams are so closely matched. At the outset of the play the defense got burnt letting a wide open guy get to the corner of the endzone. Then not one but two Bills pass rushers put pressure on Jackson. Then Poyer makes an all-Pro play by recognizing the blown coverage and getting there in time for the INT. Everyone mocks Jauron for saying it, but it takes a lot of things to go right to win in the NFL. Having a potential league MVP at QB covers up for some stuff but not everything.

What spark did Pickett provide? He threw three interceptions in one half. I'm not saying Bills can't lose, but championship teams should not lose to lesser opponents at home.

I have a Marv Levy connection too. First I saw him eating dinner alone at Russell's Steakhouse a few years ago. I was there with my siblings for a family reunion. We had a big group. We left him alone but as he walked out he stopped by the table and spoke with my family. Second one of my patients was faculty at Coe College. He knew Marv very well from his time there. I did not know this but Marv kept up his connection to Coe throughout the years. They named a street on the campus after him. My patient said Marv was always kind and generous with his time.

Watched SuperBowl XXXVIII -Patriots - Panthers with Drew Bledsoe at a mutual friend's house. He was super nice. We talked some football strategy and also cars and wine. This was before he started his Doubleback winery.

A sixth round pick played like a starter and Dane Jackson recovered from a nasty hit really quickly. Now Tre should be coming back soon. Like in the movie Miracle, coach Herb Brooks stresses the "options". Bills have plenty of ways to go and most guys are on the cheap too. I wouldn't trade any of them. I'd consider a move to safety for one of them. Obviously White is the controversial one, but as other astutely pointed out Benford has the right size to consider a switch to safety.

Agree it is a bit odd. Maybe McKenzie will be ok for this game.

The salary is an issue long term but not while Elam and Jackson are cheap. The total spend on the secondary wouldn't change that much. You are paying White regardless of where he plays. It really becomes a swap of Hyde's cap number for Dane Jackson's and any increase they would give Poyer. This is all speculation on how White comes back. If he comes back to being a top 10 CB then he will want and the Bills will want him back at CB. If his skills have diminished then playing safety may prolong his career. NFL contracts are not guaranteed and if he can't play at an elite level at CB neither the Bills nor anyone else will pay him top 5 CB money.

Those numbers are the same as their weights recorded before the draft. I double checked. They may still be playing at those weights but it's hard to tell.

That is a reasonable argument. Maybe he would be terrible at safety. Maybe he won't be good at CB coming off an ACL either. As this is just a message board and it is all speculation, I'm going to assume Jackson at CB, Elam and CB, and White/Poyer at safety is our best combination of players. We have only seen a very small sample of what Hamlin can do. Everyone on this board said we would be fine with Johnson at safety and he looked pretty bad. Hamlin seems to be holding his own right now. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume a player with the skill of White who plays a lot of zone coverage looking back into the backfield could transition to FS. Perhaps he can not but there are two guys on the team right now that did it at an All-Pro level. So I'm just saying moving him to safety may put the best group of players in the collective best positions.

Except you can make an argument Oweh gave them no chance to win the game. They were going to let him score or try to push him over the goaline. That was their only chance to get the ball back and try to tie or win the game with their offense.

Fins HC McDaniel looks and sounds annoying as hell. Hope he flames out and takes a hit for how the Dolphins handled Tua.

Injuries are real life. Poyer and Hyde were both corners before moving to safety. That is real life. Neither were anywhere near the class White was in, but you make it seem like players don't move postions. Von Miller was an OLB and now he plays 4-3 DE. Jackson was already on the team and playing last season. Yes it would be very likely with a healthy White they would still have drafted another CB with Levi gone. But it would have been less of a need and perhaps Beane would have considered WR or OL. Heck many on here still wanted WR in first round even with White coming off injury.

Please point out something inaccurate in my post

The knee injury may have sped up that timeline No way he moves if he is healthy. Of course if he is healthy they probably don't draft Elam in first round too.

Because Tre is coming off injury. Benford is not a bad idea too.

I believe Allen and Aaron Rodgers are the best intermediate, say 10 -25 yards, passers of all time. Marino and Fouts were excellent at this distance too.

Bills should seriously consider moving Tre to safety when he returns. Right now Elam and Jackson are playing well and Benford will be back soon. The weakest link on the defense is Johnson/Hamlin opposite Poyer. Rod Woodson did this and landed in the HOF after his knee surgery and this history indeed sways my thinking. Woodson probably makes the HOF as a CB regardless. Others have done it too - Aneas Williams was another. Tre is a great corner but it does appear to be true that McD's system allows CBs of all skill levels to do well. Akin to an OL playing your best 5 somewhat agnostic of position, perhaps the Bills should do the same thing in the secondary with their best 4 players plus Taron Johnson at nickel. My only hesitation for White to safety is that he has never been a great tackler in the open field. Hyde may never play for the Bills again given his injury and only 1 more year on his contract. Moving White to safety now and letting the rookies play CB gives them a long term plan for years to come in the secondary. Feel free to flame away, but I look forward to what others think.

Well Doyle was a fifth round pick so I'm not sure how to answer you. That said I get what you are implying. Late round picks are even more of a crap shoot than first or second day picks. That is fair. I guess I look to those spots to either fill a specific role - punter, PK, kick return, or special teams as Beane has done, or someone that has some skill to develop. Doyle's only attribute was his height. Other than that he is athletically limited to be kind.

He is playing better this year than at any point last year. Opinions and evaluations are allowed to change and evolve. That's why you pick up his 5th year option and see what happens. Right now he is trending towards a franchise tag or contract extension. Milano was a popular choice for parting ways to afford other players but he is playing at an elite level. Odd men out here are going to be Hyde, Singletary, Epenesa, and maybe Morse. Poyer probably gets a 2 year extension soon with how well he is playing. They will restructure White. Very unlikely but if he doesn't recover from his injury he could be a cap casualty with Dane, Elam, and Benford being cheaper options. Heresy I know but you can't pay everyone and inured guys like Hyde and White get released all the time. They then draft safety and OL next year.

Geno played decently in relief of Wilson last year but couldn't finish games and got worse the more he played. That was of course with a terrible o-line and no run game. He is playing much better and more consistently so far this year. Good for him.

1. Hurts and Eagles - Hurts is playing really well. MVP candidate well. 2. Wilson playing so poorly in Denver - many on this board said he was overrated. Looks like they were correct 3. Mayfield being really awful - thought last year the poor play was his injured shoulder. He is playing his way out of the NFL 4. Colts really being terrible - I had them running away with that division. Reich is going to lose his job 5. Doug Pederson - he is making Jacksonville respectable and Reich is getting worse.