Ethan in Cleveland
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Makes sense if you are the Raiders. They have worst QB situation in the league.
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4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
not a serious list without Cunningham.
Fair. My bigger ommission was Cam Newton. He was a better passer than Cunningham, Jackson, and Vick.
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Bryan Cox
Bill Romanowski
Vince Wolfork
Ray Lewis
Can I add Thurman Thomas while in a Dolphins uniform??? He's my favorite player of all-time and it broke my heart to see him play elsewhere.
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8 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:
Really surprised no one is talking about our LB situation. After Milano and Bernard there's really not that much to get excited about.
Bills play only two linebackers more than any team in the league. Dorian Williams has crazy good speed. If he can learn to play under control he can be a very good starter at either OLB or MLB.
I was a massive skeptic of Bernard but he made more plays in half a season than Edmunds did in 5 years. Can he keep it up? We will see.
At this point we can only hope about Milano. 10 days to camp and we haven't heard much of an update. I'm starting to worry this guy's injury was catastrophic and we might not see him play again.
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Pass rusher. Has to be. Miller probably is gone after this season and Rousseau has been very good but not great.
Great QBs should elevate good WRs.
Much harder to generate pass rush without winning 1:1 matchups.
An elite pass rusher transforms this defense.
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Can't believe more people are not mentioning Tarkenton. He is still 7th all time on QB rush yards playing only 14 game schedule.
Another guy I missed is Russell Wilson. He's 3rd all time in QB rush yards behind only Vick and Newton. Even watching him up close all those years I never thought of him as a running QB. I don't recall many designed runs for him. He was more escape artist than runner to me. But the yards don't lie.
Also it's interesting that almost all of us have Elway on the short list yet he is 12th in all time rush yards. Perhaps we're are biasd by his first few years and that run in the SuperBowl.
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On 7/12/2024 at 3:48 PM, Gregg said:
I wonder if Eli Manning will get in the HOF. He did help the Giants beat the evil empire twice on the biggest stage. Winning two championships will help him. Overall, he was a very good QB. But he is definitely not a lock for it like Peyton was.
He will get in. Two time SB winner. He's a virtual lock with how they are voting lately.
He's on my list of guys that shouldn't make it however. He was mediocre for many years but made some great plays in the biggest moments.
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58 minutes ago, mannc said:
Thurman was a great player, but the Super Bowl years never happen without Jim Kelly, who was, at the time, easily the best QB in the history of the franchise. And as good as he was, I don't think Thurman was ever a first team All-Pro player.
If you are going by NFL recognition then the debate is not even close.
Thurman was a top 3 RB in his era with Smith and Sanders and if you were a Total yards from Scrimmage guy then he was the absolute best. Thomas was a league MVP in 1991. He was first team All-pro twice and 2nd team three times.
Kelly never was top 3 in his own era. Kelly was first team All-Pro just once abd only second team once. You can make a good case he was not even top 5 with Elway, Marino, Young, and Aikman all either better or winning more championships. Kelly was great for Buffalo and the K-gun but he was terrible in the playoffs. Thurman was what made that offense amazing.
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7 hours ago, That's No Moon said:
Mt. Rushmore has 4 people on it. Just 4. Who are your 4 for the entire franchise?
If you allow OJ then it is
Smith
OJ
Thomas
Allen
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Tarkenton
Elway
Young
Staubach
Allen
Jackson
Vick
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What do people think about Hines Ward?
I hated him as a player. He cheap -shotted guys on crack back blocks a lot.
He's on some lists as a guy that should be in HOF.
He's a solid no for me but that's partly emotions too.
What say others?
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3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
People are going to flame me for this one, but a guy I would consider removing is Marv Levy. Losing 4 in a row is not necessarily HOF worthy
I've long argued Marv doesn't belong. I was shocked at the time that he was voted in.
I still think he doesn't belong.
That said one time winners like Brian Billick don't belong either just for winning it once. Tom Flores waited far too long. A guy like Coryell never even made a SuperBowl but was more impactful on the game than Levy was.
Here is an equally odd argument. I'd argue Tom Coughlin warrants HOF more than Eli Manning. I suspect both will get in but I think Coughlin deserves it and Eli does not.
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17 minutes ago, Logic said:
Fletcher/Cowart/Milano combined (as Buffalo Bills): one 1st team All-Pro, one 2nd team All Pro, two Pro Bowls
Conlan: DROY, three 2nd team All Pros, three Pro Bowls.
If Fletcher had played the rest of his career in Buffalo, I'd agree he should make the list. His best statistical years and accolades came as a Redskin.I liked Conlan back in the day. He's my brothers favorite player.
I'd still take my listed three over him any day. Just think those three made more plays than Conlan did. You could add Spikes to that list as well. If Cowart didn't get injured he looked like he was going to be great.
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No reasonable person thinks Lamar Jackson is better than Josh Allen. No matter how many awards he may or may not win.
However there are many people that think Jackson is a terrible QB. Those people are wrong.
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At this point you just leave several spots blank for TE. Warlock is the only guy that is even in the discussion.
As for Jeff Wright, he doesn't belong on any list unless if has something to do with mustaches. Will be controversial but Marcell Dareus was a better player than Wright ever was. No idea how he left Pat Williams off the list.
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2 hours ago, MJS said:
No way does he unseat those 4, not yet at least.
Milano is better player than Conlan ever was.
In fact I'd list Sam Cowart and London Fletcher over Conlan.
Nice to see Talley not make the list.
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As you know I'm not a fan of special teams but to deny that they have an impact on the game is nonsense as well.
The HOF is as much about the players as it is the history of the game.
It's hard to near impossible to talk about the evolution of the NFL without talking about how the original special teams expert changed the game. So in that context I would vote Tasker in. If you are just going off of talent alone however then I would not vote Tasker in.
For those that should be in on talent:
Jim Marshall
Clay Matthews
Reggie Wayne
Otis Taylor
Sterlin Sharpe
I would also vote Dick LeBeau in again as a coach. He already is in as a player.
I can't think of any other coach. They finally got Flores and Coryell inducted.
For those I would remove, there are several. There are so many guys that are in the good to great category but are not truly elite. As of late it seems much more watered down. All of the following would be removed and I would be fine with it
Steve McMichael
Patrick Willis
Rhonde Barber
Zach Thomas
LeRoy Butler
John Lynch
Brian Dawkins
Kurt Warner
Marv Levy
Lynn Swann
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I've only lived in Cleveland for under two years but the number of people saying he is a raging alcoholic is overwhelming. The Browns organization wants nothing to do with him. Local radio almost never have him on. Even the QCKinetics scam advertisers stopped using him.
It's sad but moslty self inflicted. Maybe he drank because of CTE and pain or maybe he was just an alcoholic.
Parkinson's is usually a progressive horrible disease. Early stages it would be hard to distinguish from liver failure. Both can produce tremors. If he truly had Parkinsons that might make him ineligible for liver Transplant.
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11 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:
I agree with all of this. To clarify, I meant 'relevant' in terms of championship conversations. The Browns haven't been a championship contender much since the 1950s, and never again a champion.
But if I had to pick the GOAT, it wouldn't be Brady. It would be between Jim Brown and OJ. Both were RBs back when offenses revolved around the RB and the best athletes became backs. And they were both heads and shoulders better than their peers. If I took off my Bills cap, the pick would be Brown.
Brady was a great QB. But how much was he better than his peers: Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Farve, Roethlisberger, Warner, Luck, Stafford, Rivers, and so on? At the end of any regular season, you could make a strong argument that Brady wasn't the best QB that given year.
Brown was the best RB every year he suited up and everyone knew it and there was no rational debate about it.
Brady led the league in passing yards 4 times in his 23-year career. Impressive. Brown led the league in rushing yards 8 times in his 9-year career. The one year he didn't, he was hurt.
Brown was relevant. The Browns were not (at least not how I use the term).That makes sense. Though if I was calculating win percentage for a QB, I'd only count games started.
In any case, Lamonica was a winner - and it would have been better if he had won all those games for us. The problem, of course, is that we didn't have the supporting cast.Yeah I hear ya.
I have Rice #1 Brady #2 Montana #3 and LT #4. I agree you could make an argument for Brown as the GOAT.
You are correct about the Browns. One of only a very few franchises with no SuperBowl appearances let alone wins. Lol and the Titans don't count for the Oilers.
Their QB history since they came back in the league is actually worse than the Bills during the drought.
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4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Edwards is a really good player. he doesn't make enough to justify cutting him, IMO
All of these players are good. That's why it would be a surprise.
I'm fine putting the best five out there. I never thought Morse lived up to his contract. He was 10-15 guy at best never a top 5 guy even though at one point he was paid top dollar. So I have no issue with them moving McGovern to C or giving the rookie a shot. However if Van Pran is good enough to start 3 years in the SEC, he might be a long term answer at C. And if that happens that opens up all kinds of possibilities for the roster.
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3 minutes ago, Logic said:
Kaiir Elam.
One of Ja'Marcus Ingram, Ta'Cory Couch, or Keni-H Lovely (how are these real names?) could outplay him.
Or, more likely, a cut from another team takes his roster spot.
I'm hoping this doesn't happen. Elam showing he was worth his 1st round price tag would be HUGE for this team. Absolutely enormous. But you said "surprise cut", so...For every 100 or more guys this regime has appropriately parted ways with there will always be Wyatt Teller. I fear cutting Elam could be the next version of Teller. He flashes talent at times. Hopefully last year was more about the foot injury and he can really push Benford for the starting job.
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Just now, NewEra said:
That would certainly be a big surprise. Cutting Edwards would be terrible in any situation- 3M guaranteed. If he wasn’t part of our plan, Beane would likely get a draft pick.
Yeah I guess I equate those two(cut/trade) in a question like this. You are correct he could probably get a 7th for him or a capable backup RB in the very very rare player for player trade.
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Is Josh Allen already the best dual-threat QB ever?
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Yeah you can make that argument.
I do think having guys from different eras is worthy too. NFL has evolved so much and one way of looking at it is who was the best in their respective eras. Then you try to rank order their relative dominance compared to others.
Newton took such a beating both In and out of the pocket. No doubt it ruined his career.