Ethan in Cleveland

They should move on. He's a journeymen in the making. Daboll can get the same production from any middle of the road QB.

14-4, sure. As I see it however they were 1-1 in the playoffs. Everyone said just get home field advantage and it will be a SuperBowl run. It wasn't. They were losing at home in the second half to a 3rd string Miami QB. McD and his staff were outcoached by not just Andy Reid but now by Dolphins and Bengals staffs. Injuries played a massive role last year. It's the only excuse McD has for yet another failure. But there were no long term injuries on the o-line. That unit was just bad. They have a few holes to fill but if they make wise choice to invest in oline and let Edmunds walk even this staff might not be enough to prevent Allen from winning it all. Pittsburgh and Detroit won 9 with journeymen. And of course San Francisco and Seattle made playoffs without franchise QBs.

What are you talking about? We can't win playoff games with Allen. McD has beaten a washed up Phillip Rivers, noodle arm Mac Jones, and almost lost to a 3rd string Miami QB. His defense has risen to the occasion once in the playoffs against Baltimore. After that epic collapses against Texans, Chiefs x 2, and now the Bengals. Without Allen this team would be lucky to win 6 games.

And Kelce is the best TE ever. So he has a #1 weapon just not a WR.

Two things can be true. I think Davis is a good player and may very well be better in 2023. They still need to add a WR. Diggs is not getting any younger. WR production falls off with age just not as precipitously as at RB. They need a new WR if for nothing than to hedge against being unable to pay Davis.

Don't you love how McD always says "and that starts with me", but it never ends with him???? I've been a McD skeptic for years. He is likely a wonderful person and has very admirable qualities. But like Coach Beard said in Ted Lasso winning matters. These players are professionals. Relationships and culture are fine if you win. If you don't win it doesn't matter. Nobody on the team liked Jim Kelly all the way to four SuperBowl appearances. You think anyone really likes Bill Belichick? If the Hamlin incident had not occurred and the Bills lost in the division round again I would have fired the entire coaching staff and started over. I would have given Beane a two year window with a new coach to make it to the SuperBowl. The Hamlin incident reset the clock for me. Now McDermott is SuperBowl or bust this year. I'm glad Leslie is gone and all eyes on the defense will be staring at McDermott. I truly hope he takes us to a championship. Like I said he seems like a nice human being. I would be happy for him. Do I think he will?. No. Am I willing to wait any longer. No. 2023 SuperBowl appearance or he should be fired. And no I don't care about 13 wins in the regular season. I care only about a ring. Most of us on here lived through the four SuperBowls and settling for losing in the playoffs is not good enough.

Frazier is not under contract. Why do you think he would come back to Buffalo a year from now? He won't be back. Bills don't want him and he can go wherever he wants. McD better call the plays. No more excuses.

McD just scapegoated another. Last year it was the special teams guy and this year it is Frazier. I want McD calling the defense in 2023. Posted that a while back. I want no excuses of who to blame when this fraud defense gets shredded in the playoffs again. Our only hope is Allen gets healthy, Beane takes over full control of the draft and rebuilds the oline and Dorsey gets better.

This is a great thread. Nice job OP. Started following in 1980. I have a few 1. The 1980 Dolphins goal posts coming down 2. Ferguson playing on a bum ankle against the Chargers 3. Bills clinch AFC in OT against the Jets - I've posted many times how I was there that day 4. Kelly QB draw on last play against the Dolphins If I have to narrow it down to one play, it is Kelly scoring at Miami on the last play. That play and all the good and bad ones to follow would define my reality for years to come.

You can remove the tag. It's not binding. It's not like a 5th year guarantee. I agree though playing under the 1 year tag with their cap situation is nearly impossible.

Davante Adams was traded last off-season after being tagged. So it happens.

Both are true. He probably does influence some throws but high end QBs and play callers do just fine against this defense. No doubt there are times when the D has played well but in the playoffs they collapse. I wish we knew who really has final say Beane or McDermott.

I think this is accurate way to describe how Beane has worked in the past. Worked with Milano and Williams I think.

Of course trading up and taking Allen was the most impactful. But I'd argue the decision on Edmunds will have repercussions for years. There are so many options. Sign him long term and spread out the cap hit to a player that at best has had an inconsistent impact since entering the NFL. Even spreading out the can hit, it will still commit massive resources to the two linebackers. Tag and force him to play under the tag. Tag and trade. Simply let him walk. This next decision may ultimately make or break Beane's career. The window to tag a player has already opened and a decision must be made by March 7th. Should be an interesting week ahead.

Stevie Johnson vs Darrelle Revis Doyle won't make the roster. He was awful before the ACL. He might not even make it out of OTAs

No state income tax just means they raise revenue in a different way. Property, sales tax etc. NFL players pay tax on money where it is earned. So when/if he plays in NY and NJ with the Dolphins he's still paying tax on those earnings.

To be fair to Beane, and I rarely am, the O-line looked really good the last 6 weeks of 2022. Singletary was running well and they were scoring at will. Dawkins was playing the best football of his career. McDermott took too long to start Bates. Beane matched an offer sheet for Bates that almost everyone on here agreed with. Most thought Q was a good depth signing. Four things happened. 1. Dawkins regressed 2. Beane didn't draft any young talent 3. Brown didn't get better and maybe got worse 4. Saffold after a couple decent games really sucked. I think the board was pretty mixed on his signing.

He's cheap and might yet get better. I think he makes the roster. No way he can play OG. He might actually be better at C than G. They need to draft OT early. Best case scenario Brown gets better and the new OT plays OG for a year. If Brown is serviceable at RT. Then the new OT slides into Dawkins spot in 2024. If Brown doesn't get better he is gone and they will draft OT high again in 2024

My god you are so wrong...

You are missing the point. By signing Wagner you rid yourself of Edmunds. Edmunds you tag and trade. You get Wagner who is an upgrade at LB, you avoid a long term deal with Edmunds, and you probably net a first and a 3rd round pick for Edmunds. It's win, win, win! And win the SuperBowl!

Any list like this must have OJ 2003 yards. I would nominate Bryce Paup 1995, 17.5 sacks and Defense POY to add to the list.

No. Gabe and a rookie is the way to go with Diggs. Crowder and Shakir for wr 4 and 5. I'd rather keep an extra linemen and Hines and go with 5 WR.

Of course this is not universally true. Every situation is different. Jets traded Adams, Seahawks traded Wilson. Minn traded Diggs and it worked out just fine for them. No way they should trade Diggs. If Diggs wants out, it is a further indictment of McDermott and Beane's inability to win in the playoffs.

Get rid of Edmunds at all costs. They can't tie up that much money on a player who makes no plays. Tag and trade would be best but even if they just let him walk for a comp pick it's addition by subtraction. I don't care one way or another on Poyer. 8 games into 2022 I said bring him back. But he was awful down the stretch. I'd rather go forward with Hyde and Benford or White at the other safety spot. The defenses made one play in the SuperBowl that mattered and there was one awful punt. Other than that the entire story of the SuperBowl and for that matter both Conference Championships was about the respective offenses. Give Allen and O-line and another WR. Give McD and Dorsey one more year. SuperBowl or bust. No SuperBowl you need to cut bait and find someone that can win it all.

The only analytics I need is zero SuperBowl wins. This regime and this board overvalues the antiquated thought that special teams matter. #1 special teams unit and they lost in the divisional round at home. Beane got a franchise kicker. Nice job. After that I would concede one roster spot for special teams. Everyone else should be a player that can actually play his position and be cheap rookie or UDFA. And go and look at the stats. The Bills were 4th worst in opponent KO ret yards. So despite the money spent they still sucked at it. Bills got #1 unit becuase they were #1 or 2 in opponent FG and XP made. Which has almost zero to do with the Bills unit and all to do with the opponent missing kicks.