Ethan in Cleveland

Go back and watch the play. Davis barely touched Allen's behind and certainly didn't move him out of the way.

The players know they area at a disadvantage with this coaching staff. They know McD cost them a SB last year. Now they are baby sitting Tre back when Allen is playing with a bad elbow. Why is Tre getting special treatment, when Poyer is playing with a bad elbow and a collapsed lung on an expiring contract?

I'd prefer Lincoln Riley or Jim Harbaugh but would be fine with Payton.

They did motion Davis behind Allen to push him forward

There is almost no chance they move on from McD. That said, I would replace him in a heart beat if I could get Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh, or Lincoln Riley McD doesn't get to take Allen with him

Cmon Alpha, I love Josh too, but he is playing really poorly at times right now. He's been pretty reckless with the ball all year. There is no excuse for the goalline fumble and the INTs these past two weeks. Just brutal mistakes in the red zone no less. Without Josh we do not stand a chance. However, he lost today's game and was not good last week.

The defense is missing White, Hyde, Poyer, Elam, Rousseau and now Edmunds. That is over half the starters. I'm not saying the defense is great, but they at least have an excuse. There is no excuse for how poorly Allen is playing. A fumbled snap on the goal line??? That is high school level nonsense. He has been reckless with the ball all year.

Are you trying to say all guys that make the NFL play hard and want to play? There are dozens of examples of guys that get paid and then simply disappear. Albert Haynesworth and Marcell Dareus come to mind along with Daryll Williams more recently

I posted earlier how long it would be until the fan base started to turn on White. Its starting to happen now. Allen is playing with a bad elbow and White is not out there. If it really is the coaches keeping him out then shame on them.

White is getting paid a ton of money to watch football games. Inexcusable he is not playing when he goes two weeks of full practice. There is more to this story besides the coaches being cautious with his return. Allen is gutting it out with a bad elbow, Milano with an oblique, Poyer played with a collapsed lung all while White sits and watches. Its total BS. Guys come back from Achilles tears faster than this.

No. He threw that inexcusable pick in the red zone on the first drive against the Jets

Like it or not Allen lost the game twice. If he doesn't fumble a snap the Bills win. If he doesn't throw that horrible INT the worst outcome is a tie. Dorsey was horrible again but this loss as was the Jets loss is mostly on Allen. He has to play better.

Not a new comparison. Many of us have said the same thing for a few years now. McD has evolved in some areas such as going for it on fourth down and being aggressive before the end of the half. He has failed to evolve in other areas. Challenges remain poor. But worst of all he trusts his Coordinators too much. Dorsey lost his mind in the second half completely abandoning the run. Where was McD to tell him to keep the offense balanced? Why is he not talking to Josh to stop this hero ball non-sense? Belichick had no problem giving Brady an earful when needed. McDermott is not going anywhere. So all we can do is hope the players overcome him like Manning did with Dungy.

McD sucks but Allen dropped the freaking snap. Just can't happen.

Hero ball again

Dam it

Draw play wpuld be nice here

Tie is a loss but I will take it

Go score a TD

I heard that White is an all-pro CB

No negative plays and they can win. Four downs to move the ball

Wow finally!!!!

Little to no pass rush all day

Lol

3rd and 11. Probably a TD