Ethan in Cleveland

Amazing city! Great food! Nasty little bugs everywhere. Wear repellent

1. 49ers 2. Eagles 3. Miami 4. Bears 5. Lions Lots of teams with a dynamic duo like Bills (Kincaid/Cook) or Jets(Wilson/Hall) that are just a piece away from being in the top 10. In Bills case, even if they look terrible on paper now, there is potential if Shakir continues to blossom and the NFL passes a rule that players guarding Coleman have to hop instead of run.

Bojo held just fine as Dustin Hopkins was voted as an alternate to the ProBowl last year. Maybe the guy teaching him was terrible. Maybe he was just fine holding the ball and Bass just wasn't any good.

I often wonder if this fan base is the only one that thinks it is hard to hold for a FG I've been watching and reading about football for nearly 40 years and I know of know other team or fan base that fretted about holding for a FG.

I think the consensus wisdom is the Dolphins defense which wasn't that great has taken a significant step back. Who did the add? An old and broken down OBJ?

Doesn't mean it isn't factually correct??? Lol

Ouch

What evidence do you have he can't throw? His QB rating is 98. His completion percentage is in the mid 60s. Almost a 3:1 TD to INT ratio. He has a career 7.5 YPA compared to Allen's 7.2. Please enlighten us on why you think he can't throw? For transparency sake, I have him fifth 1. Mahomes 1a. Allen 3. Burrow 4. Herbert 5. Jackson

Don't you think part of the hate for Lamar is race based? People say he can't throw the ball. His college completion percentage was 3 points higher than Allen's. His completion % had been in the mid 60s ever since his second year. And as you pointed out with far less talent at WR position He has a career 64% comp % and a 125/45 TD/INT ratio All that said, he does sound as dumb as Leodis when they interview him. I don't think anyone pretends Allen was great right away. What he showed quickly was crazy athleticism. While many of us saw glimpses of what he could become, there were plenty on this board that wanted to draft a new QB after year two. Those posters know who they are. I just don't agree with your premise that his development is due to McDermott. Beane should get more credit for getting him Diggs. McD wanted a balanced offense and Daboll let Allen keep firing. Daboll had his issues in the red zone but he is the guy probably most responsible for Allen's improvement.

Both would be an upgrade

Lol...one clip sums up so much Edmunds getting taken out by a RB half his size Epenesa useless as always running around the back of the pocket Good coverage in the secondary Milano making a play!

Bengals do when Burrow isn't hurt Chargers did more of a reset at the skill positions than I thought they would. They have $70M in cap space next year. Harbaugh is going to build a bully and with Herbert will be in the AFC Championship game next year.

You missed my point. Those great QBs in their eras weren't leading the NFL in INT or turnovers. The notable exception I found was Marino in 1986 had 23 INT( 623 att and 44 TD). Their rate of turnovers was just higher compared to now. In 1986 and 1988 there were 10 DBs with 7 INT or more. In 2023 there were 2. As great as Allen is you can't whitewash his turnover issue. You can explain it to some degree by his number of attempts and carries and those are valid points. It still doesn't take away the fact it is a problem that needs to get better. And actually they did talk about Elway turning the ball over too much in his early years. Same thing with the first year Peyton Manning played.

Far different eras from what defenders could do to WR to the current play calling

There is tier 1 but several of those guys in tier 2 are really tier 1a. Herbert, Stroud, Jackson, and Prescott are better than all the others in tier 2. Tua is interestingly not listed. He's better than Cousins, Goff, Love, and Rodgers at this point. He's as good as Hurts, Purdy, and Stafford.

Scapegoat # 5 ... He's fired two OC, a ST coordinator, and a DC. I don't think McDermott really understands what accountability means

Hardly! This forum is far more informed!!

I know people think I'm negative but I can't help myself... 12-5!

Same issue then as now. Levy was outcoached by Parcells. Washington and Dallas were just physically better and beat down our soft defense. Sound familiar? Reid owns McD in the playoffs. The defense collapses every year going all the way back to the second half of the Texans game. McD is on his 4th OC and 3rd DC. We missed out on Harbaugh. I've said anything less than a SuperBowl appearance this year and we should move on from McD. The problem is Beane has screwed up the WR group so bad, that McD almost gets a pass. That said I'm convinced McD forced Beane to trade Diggs. Some teams are in QB purgatory. I'm fearful we are in HC purgatory and only an epic collapse will force Pegula to move on.

1. The defense pads the stats against awful QBs. The Bills have consistently faced some of the worst QBs in the NFL often times playing the 3rd string QB. It's really remarkable how many times McDermott's defense has faced God awful QBs. 2. The defense and offense is soft. Bills play a finesse defense and offense. It works most of the time and Josh is the great difference maker. When it matters though the Bills get bullied 3. Josh owns Miami 4. McDermott is a fraud and gets outcoached in the playoffs

According to Gunner's research the most in the NFL the last 4 years... He posted this in another thread. That has led to cutdown day resulting in the Bills losing guys they would have liked on their practice squads. I knew they were top 3 in that category, I'd heard that in a podcast but I thought it was with the 49ers and the Ravens... it turns out it is the 49ers and the Jets (anomaly, more to come). Since 2020 the teams who have had the most roster claims on guys waived at cutdown day are: 1. Buffalo Bills (10) 2. New York Jets (9) 3. San Francisco 49ers (8) =4. Kansas City Chiefs (6) =4. Philadelphia Eagles (6)

Better at RB and if Miller is healthy probably better at DE LB is mixed. Last year Bernard was a question mark and this year Williams is. So probably a wash. WR is far worse. Diggs had 31 catches in the first month of last season. This group will be hard pressed to have even one guy with 15 after a month. If Samuel has to play hurt with a lingering toe issue this is the worst WR group in the NFL. TE is looking very good. Kincaid has a legit shot at 100 receptions and Knox 40-50. If used correctly they could break record for combined receptions for a TE group. DT has a chance to be better as well. I like the top 3 CB this year over last years group. Wish McD would give Elam a chance to start. Guy makes plays. PK is the same person but he looks to be getting worse with every kick.

I think we are all tired of the "this guy can play special teams" narrative. It would almost be palatable if we were even any good at special teams, but we arent. Terrible punter, shaky kicker, and who really cares about the rest.

Having no players claimed adds further evidence the roster is just not as good as it was in years past. There are probably 2 or 3 guys on our roster right now that would clear waivers. Usually they have been cutting guys including late round draft picks that at least get picked up somewhere.

Fair enough. Wonder how much he has left I'm too lazy to look it up. Did he make the bengals 53?