Ethan in Cleveland

Yeah except since Josh has been here there are two years that only two were drafted in the first round. One year with six. This last draft there were seven but 3 of them were taken with Buffalo's pick given to KC or later. There are many more WRs produced in college now as almost everyone is running 3-5 WR sets all the time. That said, Beane got Diggs. And Davis after the 4 TD game looked like a star. It is easy in retrospect to say they should have done more at WR in the draft. However only drafting one after trading down and then giving Diggs away is total GM incompetence. Beane even said he made the team worse by trading him. Hopefully one day we will know what made them trade Diggs and why they couldn't make it work. If it was because of McDermott then it is just another indictment of the fraud of a coach he is. If was between Allen and Diggs, then shame on both of them for not working it out.

It's all perspective. During the drought we had bad QBs and bad coaching Now we have a top 3 QB and a coach that is wasting him

Sad that a HC picks the plan before the draft and before training camp. Shouldn't they all be competing for jobs?

I heard Gilliam is fast on special teams, let's line him up outside and throw him a fly pattern...

I can't defend Knox any longer. He's one of my favorite players. At this point however, I'm not getting back on the bandwagon until I see it. Davidson is intriguing. See no reason why they shouldn't keep him over Morris. Oh wait I can. McD has his favorites and Morris is one of them

Dude people still wear his jersey to games which is astonishing to me

Miller is a HOF player MA is a punter Fair or not they will be treated differently He got due process under the law. Not the same thing for NFL contracts I will agree though that the pendulum swung too far. For a long time rape victims underreported becuase they were the one that were put on trial especially if it was an accusation against a star athlete or other public figure. Case in point - Cosby, Weinstein, and Epstein. Then it swung to immediate condemnation in the public of anyone accused - Duke Lacrosse. I think over the last couple of years we are seeing more instances of taking a pause and letting the legal process run its course.

Multiple possibilities. 1. He doesn't care. He's getting paid and McD and Allen basically gifted him several million dollars 2. He's injured and we don't know 3. He's a drunk or some other substance abuse 4. Brady and the QB coach suck and under their tutelage he is regressing 5. He has always been bad and a combination of 1 or more of the above has just made him worse

Isn't anyone a little concerned that the same two guys keep making bad roster decisions. How do you watch game tape from Pittsburgh last year and bring this guy back???

He's better at LB than Matakevich ever was This may sound silly but this team needs a positive story right now. A backup LB will make no difference this year. But some positive vibes can't hurt.

He's a punter. If it was another position yes but no media nightmare like that is worth it for a punter. I advocated for cutting him then and I'm not going to retrospectively criticize McD and Beane now. They've made far worse decisions than cutting a punter.

Facts don't matter in this board Wasn't Davis fumbling in training camp too?

Omg This would be a dumb idea even in Madden

So you want to trade one of the only two day 2 picks that have amounted to anything under Beane for another pick?? Are you just intent on wasting this season for 2025? While I do subscribe to the fact RBs are disposable, you still need them on your team. Use him for his entire contract then move on. Hope you find someone just as good two years from now.

Beane knew he was going to have cap space in 2025. This was the draft to give up next years #1 and go up and get a star WR. I hated the Diggs move but that #2 from Houston via Minnesota plus there own #2 will be good enough to reload at edge and CB next year. This was the year to go get your Jefferson type WR. I've been consistent. I don't care about consistently winning. Losing at home in the playoffs is just as bad as not making it. They blew their best shot with 13 seconds and wasted Josh's rookie contract. I watched four SuperBowl runs already. Only care about a Championship now.

Don't disagree with what you posted. I just disagree with the approach. We should be win now at all costs. Not waiting for a WR to develop. Again if the idea is spread the ball around and attack with multiple guys it can work. Josh and Brady just need to execute that type of offense.

Lol, something like that. Was it Madden that said it first?

12 - Kincaid, Knox, Coleman, and a mix of Samuel/Shakir 12 wrinkle - line up Samuel in the backfield and go Kincaid, Knox, Coleman, and Hollins. Then motion Samuel out. If they catch them in man coverage it's a TD 12 wrinkle 2 - Kincaid, Knox, Samuel, and MVS. Cook or Davis in the backfield. This set will be lethal. They can run WR deep and the TEs will be open underneath. If they play man you have some guys that can win some 1:1 deep shots. And last you have multiple screen options out of this group 3 WR - any combo plus Shakir. Shakir is going to be amazing out of the 3 WR set. He can play the Brown or Beasley role interchangeably. He has enough quickness and enough speed to go short, middle, or deep. He will be the 3rd down chain mover.

Honestly you should get a month suspension from the board every time you post White was drafted by Beane. First part of ability is availability... I thought he was dinged up his rookie year too but it says he started all 17 games Still only 24. Missed a college season due to COvID. He can still be a star.

21-30 is oddly specific. I criticized Edmunds quite a bit but he made two probowls at pick 16. Anyways Rousseau and Kincaid have good shot at making a ProBowl in the next few years.

I agree but it's not like he has been lighting up camp either. I'm not dismissing him at all. Obviously we have to wait and see. I thought Bernard was going to be a bust. I don't subscribe to the idea you need a dominant WR to win. I think they can be a great offense spreading the ball around and running the ball. In a way not having a guy that can get deep and having an effective rush game may make other teams play more single high safeties. If that is the case Allen will eat that up with intermediate to deep passes to Kimcaid, Knox, and Shakir all day.

Agree. But don't fret we have a safety from Utah that will make all the difference

Terrible pass. Could have been caught but still God awful pass. Just hitting the hands is not enough if the ball is wobbling Iike a dead duck. That said, so far Coleman has done little to assuage our worries that he is not a gamebreaker and not much more than a possession WR. If that is all he ends up really poor job by Beane to upgrade the WR group. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

It's cyclical. A few years ago it was the WR group and the OL with injuries

Very little to show for the investment Oliver is very good but not a top 10 talent Rousseau has been injured and inconsistent. He still could be great. Epenesa is terrible. Basham gone. Carter will take a few years to develop. Edmunds was good but again for a first round pick he disappointed. Bernard was a revelation last season. Have to see if he can repeat the performance. Williams hopefully steps up this year. Love his speed and hitting ability All this draft capital and they still had to spend millions on Miller,Jones, and Settle.