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What do people think about Hines Ward? I hated him as a player. He cheap -shotted guys on crack back blocks a lot. He's on some lists as a guy that should be in HOF. He's a solid no for me but that's partly emotions too. What say others?

I've long argued Marv doesn't belong. I was shocked at the time that he was voted in. I still think he doesn't belong. That said one time winners like Brian Billick don't belong either just for winning it once. Tom Flores waited far too long. A guy like Coryell never even made a SuperBowl but was more impactful on the game than Levy was. Here is an equally odd argument. I'd argue Tom Coughlin warrants HOF more than Eli Manning. I suspect both will get in but I think Coughlin deserves it and Eli does not.

I liked Conlan back in the day. He's my brothers favorite player. I'd still take my listed three over him any day. Just think those three made more plays than Conlan did. You could add Spikes to that list as well. If Cowart didn't get injured he looked like he was going to be great.

No reasonable person thinks Lamar Jackson is better than Josh Allen. No matter how many awards he may or may not win. However there are many people that think Jackson is a terrible QB. Those people are wrong.

At this point you just leave several spots blank for TE. Warlock is the only guy that is even in the discussion. As for Jeff Wright, he doesn't belong on any list unless if has something to do with mustaches. Will be controversial but Marcell Dareus was a better player than Wright ever was. No idea how he left Pat Williams off the list.

Milano is better player than Conlan ever was. In fact I'd list Sam Cowart and London Fletcher over Conlan. Nice to see Talley not make the list.

As you know I'm not a fan of special teams but to deny that they have an impact on the game is nonsense as well. The HOF is as much about the players as it is the history of the game. It's hard to near impossible to talk about the evolution of the NFL without talking about how the original special teams expert changed the game. So in that context I would vote Tasker in. If you are just going off of talent alone however then I would not vote Tasker in. For those that should be in on talent: Jim Marshall Clay Matthews Reggie Wayne Otis Taylor Sterlin Sharpe I would also vote Dick LeBeau in again as a coach. He already is in as a player. I can't think of any other coach. They finally got Flores and Coryell inducted. For those I would remove, there are several. There are so many guys that are in the good to great category but are not truly elite. As of late it seems much more watered down. All of the following would be removed and I would be fine with it Steve McMichael Patrick Willis Rhonde Barber Zach Thomas LeRoy Butler John Lynch Brian Dawkins Kurt Warner Marv Levy Lynn Swann

I've only lived in Cleveland for under two years but the number of people saying he is a raging alcoholic is overwhelming. The Browns organization wants nothing to do with him. Local radio almost never have him on. Even the QCKinetics scam advertisers stopped using him. It's sad but moslty self inflicted. Maybe he drank because of CTE and pain or maybe he was just an alcoholic. Parkinson's is usually a progressive horrible disease. Early stages it would be hard to distinguish from liver failure. Both can produce tremors. If he truly had Parkinsons that might make him ineligible for liver Transplant.

Yeah I hear ya. I have Rice #1 Brady #2 Montana #3 and LT #4. I agree you could make an argument for Brown as the GOAT. You are correct about the Browns. One of only a very few franchises with no SuperBowl appearances let alone wins. Lol and the Titans don't count for the Oilers. Their QB history since they came back in the league is actually worse than the Bills during the drought.

All of these players are good. That's why it would be a surprise. I'm fine putting the best five out there. I never thought Morse lived up to his contract. He was 10-15 guy at best never a top 5 guy even though at one point he was paid top dollar. So I have no issue with them moving McGovern to C or giving the rookie a shot. However if Van Pran is good enough to start 3 years in the SEC, he might be a long term answer at C. And if that happens that opens up all kinds of possibilities for the roster.

For every 100 or more guys this regime has appropriately parted ways with there will always be Wyatt Teller. I fear cutting Elam could be the next version of Teller. He flashes talent at times. Hopefully last year was more about the foot injury and he can really push Benford for the starting job.

Yeah I guess I equate those two(cut/trade) in a question like this. You are correct he could probably get a 7th for him or a capable backup RB in the very very rare player for player trade.

Irrelevant is an interesting term. Jim Brown is on the very short list of best player of all time. Ozzie Newsome is on the list of best TEs of all time. Probably still top 5 in talent. He would be a superstar in this era. Can't tell the story of the NFL in the 80's without The Drive and The Fumble. Relevant yes. Winning not so much.

Remember this would be a surprise.. David Edwards If Van Pran proves capable to play center, them McGovern stays at LG. I like Anderson to be the backup inside as he can also play Center. Collins is the utility knife that can play extra OT in heavy sets and can back up both OT and OG spots.

Is anybody really doubting Allen in the playoffs? I mean even the most staunch McD defenders have to be willing to admit Allen has carried them in the playoffs and the defense has collapsed repeatedly.

You are likely correct. Every year I want to get rid of Gilliam and it doesn't happen. He did force a fumble on kick off last year. I'd still favor not keeping a FB and using that roster spot on an extra OL or LB.

Can't write a history of the NFL without mentioning that game and Namath in particular. He played well with no turnovers and 17 of 28 passing. He was named MVP and is the only Superbowl MVP to not score or throw a TD. But it was the NY Jets defense picking off Earl Morrall three times that won the game

Good topic Jerry Rice Joe Montana Lawrence Taylor Ronnie Lott LaDainian Tomlinson Kellen Winslow Bobby Wagner Dan Fouts Tony Gonzalez So many to choose from but Montana was probably my favorite.

I think the two biggest surprises that could happen are Bass and Miller. I don't think either will be cut but I would not be shocked either if they were. I am pretty much assuming Milano will be on PUP to start the season Cuts that should happen but won't are one of the following Gilliam and Hollins. I'd cut Gilliam and give Hollins a good look at WR#6. If you get rid of Gilliam you keep Morris as TE#3 and you can carry an extra OL like Collins for jumbo sets.

Can't argue the stats. Diggs was one of my favorites. That said we don't know the gameplan nor how the defense played him. You think Davis gets 4 TD receptions against KC if they were designing a defense to take him away. Belichick took away Reed in SuperBowl XXV. I think any defense can take away a #1 WR if they want. Hell even McD can control Hill when he wants. Elite TE not the same story. Kincaid and Knox can be unstoppable this year if Brady lets them.

His INTs will be down from 18 to 13 His INT rate will be a far more respectable 2.25% His YPA will fall to below 7 while his comp % increaes to a career high 70% with a greater emphasis on short easy throws. He will still struggle with deep fly pattern accuracy. He's just never been that great throwing a deep ball with arc. At this point I don't see it ever getting better. Just have to live with some missed deep throws from time to time. Good thing is he usually misses too far and avoids INTs on these throws.

Don't think this was conjecture

I hope so too. If not I don't think he will be on the team next year just like White was let go.

I get where you are coming from. But he was playing at a high level prior to the ACL. It's a longer recovery for older players but he has had another 6 months to rehab and no brace now. I have little faith in anyone else on the roster getting to 10 sacks so I'm still sticking with my prediction Miller leads the team in sacks.