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Many thought Devin Hester was too. Plus, only one ST player (IIRC) is in the Hall (Ray Guy, from a long time ago). And there might be a backlog at kicker (Gary Anderson, Morton Andersen, Adam Vinatieri, etc.)?

Fixed ..and thanks!!

Yeah, but when you are selected for the HOF, you don't go in as a team's player. You are just in, and they list all the teams you played on. But I get your point. Maybe Gilmore, lol?

Year Sirianni would have been a good choice too. I guess he didn't win because he had an already good roster, whereas Daboll had almost nothing. But Sirianni did have a great year at 14-3 and assembled even more talent.

DeMarcus Ware will be enshrined this August, but is not in the Cowboy's Ring of Honor. Neither is Jimmy Johnson, also a member of the HOF. LOL!

Well, except for this year and first year at NE. 😉 But I get your point.

Yeah, but this is hindsight. Many here last year were upset about Daboll's play calling. Let's see how Daboll does in his second year first. I am not necessarily in love with McD, but just really not sure if Daboll would be better.

Some here (like @GunnerBill) think Justin Tucker is a lock for the HOF. I am not sure, but he will have the best shot of any once he retires.

But Pederson was 9-8 in a super soft division, whereas Daboll was 9-7-1 in the league's toughest division.

LOL. Ok, you can tell my age with that one. I'll fix it. Thank you! [BTW, half the time I still refer to the Cardinals as the "St. Louis (or Phoenix) Cardinals". Face palm.]

Good point! I had forgotten about that.

Add this to another key NFL off-season date this year: More info on which city or cities will get SB LX and maybe LXI will be announced this off-season:

Dallas vs. NY Jets could be the HOF Game, as both teams have two enshrinees.

The real 2023 NFL MVP:

COTY Vote Totals (voting by AP): https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/09/2022-nfl-coach-of-the-year-brian-daboll/ 1. Brian Daboll (16 first-place votes and 123 total) 2. Mike Kyle Shanahan (12 first-place votes, 100 total) 3. Doug Pederson (five first-place votes, 75 total) 4. Sean McDermott (seven first-place votes, 48 total) 5. Nick Sirianni (six, 45) 6. Kevin O’Connell (one, 23) 7. Dan Campbell (one, 15) 8. Andy Reid (two, 10) 9. Pete Carroll (six total points) 10. Mike Tomlin (five total points)

An early look at the Class of 2024 first-year eligibles: Here are the most prominent of these players, but not all: https://futurefootballlegends.com/year/2024/ Julus Peppers Antonio Gates Haloti Ngata Jamael Charles Eric Berry Brandon Marshall Josh Sitton Sebastian Janikowski Brent Grimes Phil Dawson Donnie Jones Reggie Nelson Glover Quin Adam "Pacman" Jones Max Unger Derrick O. Johnson Muhammed Wilkerson Andrew Luck Greg Hardy Brian Orapko Derek Anderson Also, from the Bills: Kyle Williams Vontae Davis Matt Cassell

I love Turk! If the mods want to merge the topics, then so be it. 😃

Yeah, but I've been preparing this post since the start of the show at 6 PM ET. I just decided to wait until everything was announced to post. Plus, this is different in this has all the award winners.

MVP: Patrick Mahomes Coach of the Year: Brian Daboll AP Assistant Coach of the Year: DeMeco Ryans Offensive Player of the Year: Justin Jefferson Defensive Player of the Year: Nick Bosa Offensive Rookie of the Year: Garrett Wilson Defensive Rookie of the Year: Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner FedEx Air Player of the Year: Joe Burrow FedEx Gound Player of the Year: Josh Jacobs Comeback Player of the Year: Geno Smith Salute to Service Award: Ron Rivera Walter Payton Man of the Year: Dak Prescott Captain Morgan Fan of the Year: Larry Bevans (Seahawks) Bud Light Bud Celly of the Year: Cincinnati Bengals Head & Shoulders Never Not Working Protection Play of the Year: George Kittle Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2023: see separate thread: Special tribute to Damar Hamlin:

Just now on NFL Honors in Phoenix: LB Zach Thomas OT Joe Thomas (first year of eligibility) DB Darrell Revis (first year of eligibility) DB Rhonde Barber DE/LB DeMarcus Ware Seniors: CB Ken Riley DE/DT Joe Klecko LB Chuck Howley Contributor: Coach Don Coryell ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following were finalists but did not make it: KR/PR/WR Devin Hester LB Patrick Willis S Darren Woodson CB Albert Lewis (final year of regular eligibility) DE Dwight Freeney (first year of eligibility) DE Jared Allen WR Andre Johnson WR Reggie Wayne WR Torry Holt OT Willie Anderson -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This thread is two weeks old, but I saw an article in PFT today about Travis Kelce, relevant to this thread: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/09/travis-kelce-why-am-i-always-open-andy-reid-baby/ "Travis Kelce: Why am I always open? Andy Reid, baby Why am I always open? I say it all the time: Andy Reid, baby. Big Red,” Kelce said. “He can dial stuff up at the right time, create some things at the right time, and then on top of that everybody’s doing their jobs. It’s not just a me go out there and get open type play. I’m sure you guys like to think that, but there’s a lot of madness to it, and there’s a lot of guys doing their jobs for the big picture. I’m fortunate that I’m playing here, for sure.” And then some good comments on a PFT article about stopping Kelce: "Hubris If I was a Chiefs fan, I’d be cringing. Philly needs to study the Pat Chung tape on Kelce." "I think the reason he’s always open is Mahomes ability to extend plays and make any throw on the field at the same time. As Kelce has said many times, once the play breaks down then he just needs to know based on the play call where they will likely be open space and get there asap and Mahomes will find him. The two of them have the Reid calling great plays etc, but they have the school yard game down to a science also. I agree with an above commenter that Philly should really study what Chung, Ninkovich and other Patriots did to stop Kelce using physicality, because that is one thing that has worked over the years." "For the life of me I’ve never understood why some defensive coordinator hasn’t taken a 3rd string TE and turned them into a Defensive TE. Preferably one who has played defensive in H.S. and/or College. The mismatches with slow LBs and undersized Safties always favors a Kelce or a Gronk." So it seems like Belichick was able to stop Kelce. I hope McD and Frazier can shut Kelce down in the future. Also, some funny comments about the KC offense being that of Reid, not Bienemy: "You mean it’s not Bieniemy? I thought Bieniemy was the genius. The Bieniemy head coach interview process. Q “How do you get Kelce open all the time?” A “You’ll have to ask Andy”" "Bieniemy next time he sees Kelce. “Bruh…little help, I’m trying to get a HC gig…”"

There needs to be a "confused" icon in the choices for reactions. 😃