CincyBillsFan

Any Youtube search can also show Allen running around when the pocket breaks down making great plays. And why don't you wait until AFTER Allen has even an average O line before claiming that he isn't isn't making "elite decisions". It's ridiculous to criticize Allen here when his O line has been much inferior to what Mahomes has had in KC. Who is saying Allen is "perfect"? No QB is. But considering the inferior quality of his O line and the lack of any great offensive play makers beyond Diggs, Allen's accomplishments and stats have been nothing short of amazing. Give him a good O line and SB trophy's will follow. KC has done this for Mahomes, the Eagles for Hurtz and the Bengals are desperately trying to do it for Burrow. Can we honestly say the Bills are trying as hard as these teams to give Allen a good O line?

Mahomes rarely faces the kind of pressure that Allen faces continuously. One game in which he did face immediate pressure was in the Super Bowl against Tampa. How did that work out for him? Living in Cincinnati and also being a big fan of Joe Burrow I can state with absolute certainty that Burrow does not handle the pressure as well as Allen does - both physically (Burrow missed a lot of games after an injury) and in his play. Check out the Cleveland & Pittsburgh games just this last season for confirmation. IF the Bills fix their O line so that it only performs averagely Allen will be the best QB in football as evidenced by his wins and stats. If the Bills had invested a top 10 draft pick (Oliver) and an elite FA signing (Miller) in their O line the last few years we would be the Eagles with a better QB in Allen and at least one SB win.

Allen has elevated the play of as many average to below average WR's as Mahomes has and with a much weaker O line. Beasley, Sanders, McKenzie, Foster & Brown come to mind.

I would build on this by saying that Allen is actually better then we think. He hss raised the level of play of what is for the most part a below average group of offensive players.

Cincy made it to the Super Bowl in 2021 and the AFC Championship game in 2022. They are definitely NOT wasting the talents of Joe Burrow. Just this season the Bengals let 2 very good safety's walk in order to sign a high end LT to enhance the one part of their offense that they needed to upgrade. Philly has assembled as much talent around Hurtz as possible and they earned a trip to the SB as a result. It's obvious tat without Allen would not even be making the playoffs. The real question is can Allen & Diggs ALONE lead us to a Super Bowl and the answer is they can't. So while KC, Pilly, Cincy and now even the LA Chargers are trying to surround their elite QB's with the best offensive talent available we appear to be taking a more cautious, cheaper approach. I hope that 6 weeks from now the Bills will have made the bold moves to fortify their offense that fully exploit the talents of their generational QB. I'm hopeful that they might actually be in the process of doing just that.

To the extent that these rankings are correct it's a powerful indictment of the ass backwards way in which Bean/McD are constructing this team. Of the elite QB's Allen has by far the weakest supporting cast on offense. It's strong evidence that the Bills are wasting Allen's talents. While they have made a serious tilt towards the offense in their FA signings they've yet to make a splash signing that is likely to move the needle much. If they don't get D Hop then they have to commit their 1st round pick and 2 of their next 3 picks to offense. The defense will have to make do.

Plenty of options? Really?

Allen was under pressure and moving outside the pocket. And I suspect that Davis was near the first down marker in his initial route and didn't break for the end zone until Allen broke away to his left. Throwing from his left is not as easy as throwing from his right and IMO Allen released that ball as fast as he could and still make an accurate throw hitting Davis in the chest 70 yards down field. There are only 2 or 3 other QB's in the NFL who could have hoped to make that throw.

And on that play at the snap it was 4th & 21 at the Bills 14 yard line with 33 seconds left and no timeouts. Allen's only rational choice was to push the ball way downfield. Davis simply didn't make a play on a spectacular throw. It was similar to the Bills/Bengals playoff game where late in the 3rd quarter, down 24 - 10 and on 3rd & 2 Allen threw another great ball 50 yards in which Davis again couldn't make the catch. At that point in the game making the 1st down with a 5 yard throw to Beasley was not going to get us back in the game. Davis making that catch would have though.

You must have been watching a different QB's rookie season then Allen because his problem wasn't under throwing guys it was over throwing them.

Horrible take. Not only was the ball thrown 70 yards but it hit Davis in the chest. Anyone who claims that pass was "severely under thrown" can't be serious and must be trolling. So Allen should have checked down on a 4th and 21? Are you freaking serious?

When the KC defense holds a team to a 3 and out it feels like a TO because their powerful offense is getting the ball back. This is how the Bills must operate on D. Even when the Bills forced a punt all to often it came after the other team had gained a couple of first downs , ran clock and improved their field position.

I'm not bitter I'm frustrated. It has become very clear what works in the NFL and the Bills don't seem to be doing it. Sure our O was very good last year in spite of our focusing the majority of the resources on the D over the last 3 seasons. But where has this gotten us the last 3 seasons? ONE AFC championship game and TWO losses in the Divisional round. And we have seen Cincy shoot past us by doing the things that Bean/McD won't do. The Bengals walked away from two excellent safeties every bit as good as Hyde/Poyner to push resources to further improve their O line. And they did this to further protect their gold mine Joe Burrow. I agree with you that having Miller, Hyde and Poyner back healthy is a good thing. But when exactly will Miller be back healthy? And our two excellent safeties are not getting any younger. And next season there are bound to be other injuries. And I'm not saying the sky is falling. In fact in some ways it's worse. We will slowly slide and fail to break through as other teams like the Jags & Chargers focus on their Offenses and franchise QB's and move by us to replace Cincy or KC should they falter. We will become the Green Bay of the AFC but without the SB wins and Conference Championship games.

You ignore a dropped TD pass by Knox and a dropped 55 yard pass by Shakir. Sure Allen, like the whole team, had a brain cramp in the 2nd half of the 2nd quarter and the first half of the 3rd quarter. But he was on fire the rest of the game pushing the Bills out to a 17 - 0 (should have been 21) lead and then leading the Bills to two TD's that erased the Dolphin lead and put the Bills back up two scores.

It appears that Bean/McD are repeating what worked for them in 2019, but on a cheaper level. Remember how they signed a center who had real concussion issues but would be an upgrade to what we had at the time and then they signed two WR's who were good but not remotely elite. It worked great for the Bills and those 3 signings helped propel the team to success in 2019, 2020 & 2021. IF, the Bills have similar success with these 3 signings - significant upgrade at Guard and two WR's that are solid #2/3 type guys then the Bills are right back in the Super Bowl mix. But if they missed on these signings and they throw most of their draft capital at the D then Buffalo will be lucky to make the playoffs next season.

This would be disappointing to say the least. It also goes against everything the teams that played in the last 3 Super Bowls have done. All 5 of these teams have gone all in on offense: * Two of the teams (Bucs & Rams) went all in to get franchise QB's * Three of the teams (Chiefs, Bengals & Eagles) went all in to surround their elite franchise QB's with the best O lines and weapons possible. Bean & McD have not had a high profile Offensive FA signing or draft pick since the Diggs signing. If Bean & McD do not use a 1st round pick on offense and/or make a high profile FA offensive signing then I'm ready for a change - a big one. Bean & McD continue to balk at doing what it takes to win a SB in the age of offense. Even worse they're wasting the talents of an elite franchise QB that was a once in a generation draft pick by the Bills. If the Bills don't, at a minimum, win their division and win at least one playoff game, then I'm fine with Bean & McD being shown the door after the 2023 season.

And don't forget a dropped TD pass that kept it from being 21 - 0, a dropped 55 yard pass to Shakir, our ST's gave up a 57 yard punt return and the Finns scored 6 off a fumble. That game was sort of like the Bills season in weird stuff happening.

BOTH things can be true here.

Fans are not "massaging" this signing into a viable strategy. We're one day into FA and we haven't held the draft. How about we wait until after these two are done before declaring what fans are settling for? BTW, adding McGovern has moved the needle and improved the Bill's O line. The key here is the change not the absolute impact of a guy like McGovern. Staffold was one of the worst pass blocking guards in the NFL, McGovern is in the middle in pass pro. That represents a huge improvement. Staffold also got hit with a lot of penalties whereas McGovern is rarely penalized. Adding McGovern has improved the O line. With respect to Cook, we should see further improvement as he goes from his rookie to his 2nd year in the NFL. And Cook showed real flashes of being the best Bills RB since Shady.

We had one of the worst O lines in the NFL last season. The addition of McGovern moves us solidly towards the middle of the pack. If after all is said and done the Bills O line performs as an average group next season then the Bills offense will be much better, and they were pretty darn good as it was.

In pass protection he's a huge upgrade over Saffold. The guy also almost never gets penalized. If you recall Saffold had a lot of penalties to go along with his turnstile play at guard. Also McGovern should be playing right guard and Bates will move back to left guard. So we will likley see improved play out of Bates to. Pressure up the middle is the worst kind of pressure a QB faces and this signing will likely reduce that problem quite a bit.

The comparison that matters is to Saffold. And what Bean has done is replace a guard at the bottom of the PFF rankings with one in the middle of the rankings for pass pro. That's a huge improvement and will be noticed on the field next season.

A solid starter is a huge upgrade over Staffold.

At a minimum the Bills should be talking to him.

He appears to be following the Drew Brees trajectory and not the Tom Brady one. I could see significant decline as early as next season.