CincyBillsFan

By any rational definition the Bills greatly exceeded preseason expectations. And for that I join with others in saying thank you. I believe that the Bills have reopened their Super Bowl window this season even as they worked through a significant player changing of the guard and the accompanying CAP issues. Or to be more precise that window never closed and remains wide open. It is reasonable to assume that this team will be better next year. And with 9 home games and a schedule that seems to have the toughest competition playing in Buffalo the Bills are in a great position to nail down the #1 seed. Finally, there are a number of young players who are on the rise while Allen is entering his prime years. And if Nick Sirianni, Bruce Arians & Zack Taylor can get to Super Bowls then so can McD.

I like Vrabel but as a head coach he was not as good as McD has been. His overall record over 6 seasons was 54 - 45 and his playoff record was 2 - 3 with 3 playoff appearances in 6 seasons and 1 AFC championship loss.

That would explain a lot. I still believe that Kincaid will be a great TE for the Bills.

There isn't one guy among the 7 who just landed new jobs I would want over McD. If you honestly look out at the head coach/GM talent pool the Bills already have a top 10 or maybe even a top 5 pair. I would trade McD for Reid in a heart beat as would I trade Bean for the Eagles GM. Hell I would also like to have Musk's money to. But it ain't happening. So beyond the HOF coach and GM who are actually better then McD/Bean would people want? McVay? Tomlin? Harbaugh (either of them), Taylor, Quinn, McCarthy, Belicheat, some random college coach or some random coordinator? It's frustrating as hell because McD & Bean have not been good enough. IMO though we're on the cusp of winning a SB. And whether by luck or some subtle improvements in McD/Bean we are better positioned to win that SB sticking with these two guys.

I'm not sure I fully believe this given recent history BUT like you I choose to see the Bills future as a glass half full. They have reopened their SB window while also getting out of CAP hell and the loss of a bunch of older players. We are very close that's for sure.

To keep your sanity understand that we're dealing with a tiny minority of Bills "fans" and some scummy internet trolls here. Normal, thinking Bills fans know that Allen has not been the limiting factor in getting to a SB - not even close. Allen is the only reason the Bills are considered to be a SB contender. Playoff Record: Allen 7 - 6; Rivers 5 - 7 Passing Stats: Allen = 3,359 yrds; 25 TD's & 4 INT's Rivers = 2965 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 INT's Rushing Stats: Allen = 668 yrds; 7 TD's & 2 lost fumbles Rivers = 46 yrds; 1 TD and 0 lost fumbles Receiving Stats: Allen = 1 TD Rivers = 0 TD Total Post Season Offensive Production: Allen = 4027 yrds; 33 TD's & 6 TO's Rivers = 3011 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 TO's Rivers and Allen are not even in the same conversation.

A better and more honest statement would be that the Bills Defense has been "owned" by Mahomes and Andy Reid. Mahomes has in no way owned Allen.

Two of the Chief DBs are looking at Shakir expecting Allen to dump it off!

Not even close. Here are the post season comparisons remembering that Rivers played 17 seasons and Allen has played 7 seasons: Record: Allen 7 - 6; Rivers 5 - 7 Passing Stats: Allen = 3,359 yrds; 25 TD's & 4 INT's Rivers = 2965 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 INT's Rushing Stats: Allen = 668 yrds; 7 TD's & 2 lost fumbles Rivers = 46 yrds; 1 TD and 0 lost fumbles Receiving Stats: Allen = 1 TD Rivers = 0 TD Total Post Season Offensive Production: Allen = 4027 yrds; 33 TD's & 6 TO's Rivers = 3011 yrds; 16 TD's & 10 TO's Rivers and Allen are not even in the same conversation.

This is Allen's legacy only among the football illiterate and sports ignoramuses of the wider world. Those that know the game see Manning to NE's Brady.

The larger sample size was the regular & post season - 19 games total before last night. And in those games Allen had only 8 TO's. Through 20 games, which is a pretty decent sample size, Allen only had 8 TO's. And in his last 5 playoff games Allen has not turned the ball over. I couldn't care less about turnover worthy plays within this context.

Or the TE holds on to the very catchable ball that hit his hands. That was a remarkable play by Allen anyway you look at it. It was also an incredibly clutch play by Allen. But here we are on 2BD in a thread titled "Josh choked tonight" having to defend the Bills QB from crazy people. It's just sad.

Again they're not "interceptions"unless the DB's hold on to the ball and the fumbles were not lost. I just don't get the obsession with "turnover worthy" plays. It's a ridiculous stat that might only be useful if we could travel between alternate universes. Allen did not play an elite game but he did play a great game. If you replay this game with Allen playing exactly how he played last night but the defense played better or the O line played better or the receivers played better the Bills win and are going to the Super Bowl.

What do you mean? Allen is the best QB to play for the Bills and Kelly is the 2nd best - high honors for both men considering we're talking about a 65 year old franchise. But what has prevented Allen from matching Kelly's post season production is clearly the difference in surrounding talent on both sides of the ball. Give Allen 2 future HOF WR's, a HOF RB and a HOF DE who was a one man wrecking crew and Allen & the Bills have already won a couple of SB's.

I'm close but not there yet. Here's what I think is happening, the Bills have reopened their SB window. The 2024 Bills bear a lot of resemblance to the 2019 Chiefs that lost to NE in the AFC Championship game. Next year the Bills will make and win the SB. Trolling is fun, yes?

Put Allen on the Chiefs yesterday and he likley torches the Bills for 40 points. It would have been a repeat of the Bills/Patriots 2021 playoff game.

Sure Mahomes has lifted Reid into another level but to claim Reid did "diddly crap" in the playoffs until they drafted Mahome is dead wrong. Before Mahomes and when Reid coached in Philly he made 5 conference championship games (losing 4 but he got to 5) and 1 Super Bowl - hardly "diddly crap".

Sorry but this a bad take. Our all pro (2nd team) QB kept us in the game and in a position to win the game at the end. He did this almost single handily with a lot of help from Cook. And Cook's success was likely due in large part to KC keying on Allen. In football, when as you say your "pass catchers let you down" and the O line decides to "have a crap game" even an elite QB is not going to save the day.

Not only that but he might have gotten up and gained a couple of more yards making it a 3rd & 1. For sure that was a poor throw by Allen and if he had ed Samuels properly it would have been a 20 yard gain. But earlier yesterday, the Skins QB threw about 5 passes that were off target and their receivers went down and caught the ball for positive yards.

Until there is an upgrade of talent around Allen there won't be any Super Bowl's. I have come to the conclusion that it's really that simple. Compare what surrounds Allen on both sides of the ball to what surrounded Kelly during the SB years. The difference is glaring.

By any definition, Hollins our punt coverage gunner, is the #2 WR on the Bills with Shakir being WR #1. Hollins leads the team in TD catches to. And as much as I love Hollins and hope he's with the Bills next year the fact that he's our #2 WR is an indictment of the Bills organization.

And it's a stretch to say the Bills D forced that fumble tonight. It was Mahomes only real mistake of the night when he fumbled the fake hand off on 1st down. Otherwise the Chiefs were going to score a TD on that drive.

It's no more reasonable to laud a Defense that makes 3 stops on 8 of it's opponents possessions then it is to criticize an Offense that fails to score on 3 of its 8 possessions. The Bills O went up against the Chiefs strength which is their D and scored 4 TD's and 1 FG. That was more then good enough to win if the defense had simply played an average game. Instead they played a poor game and the Bills lost as a result.

What is it with the bizarre fixation on those first 2 passes? They were not picked off so what the hell is the point of bringing them up? Allen played a very good game against an elite D on the road. The Bills offensive production and Allen's stats support this 100%. My conclusion from tonight is that the Bills have failed to surround Allen with Super Bowl level talent on both sides of the ball. Think back to the Kelly SB years and his supporting cast. There is no comparison between the two. This nitpicking of Allen is way off base and doesn't pass any reasonable eye test.

Allen played better then he needed to win this game.