CincyBillsFan

I'll trade our #85 to SD for their #85 and I would really like to trade our #85 to KC for their #87!

Five! I figured my ONE box was a valuable collectors item. Now I'm thinking it's worth about $2.99 as there are probably about 100,000 boxes sitting in food pantry's all across Western NY. Hell if the apocalypse happens civilization will be reborn by those of us eating our Flutie Flakes when the food runs out.

To be fair, on the Chiefs KB is about the 4th player a defense has to worry about. In Buffalo, for all his dogging it, he still was the guy opposing defenses treated as the Bills #1 receiving threat.

That was nice throw and while he's patient he also has time in the pocket. We have a KB sighting! Catch for 17 yards.

And what was Dead Pool thinking giving out a bottle of gin! Bradshaw is probably wrestling with Strahan to get his hands on that bottle.

Okay you convinced me. When the Bills make the Super Bowl I'm breaking out the Flutie Flakes!

I don't know about eating those things - can you imagine what might be growing among the flakes after all these years!

As you can see, luck plays a role in these games. I'm a bit surprised at how low scoring this game has been.

Hell, I would have settled for going with Flutie over Rob Johnson. As an aside, I still have an unopened box of Flutie flakes!

Now that's fair. It's hindsight but at the very least maybe McD could have squeezed Reid for another draft pick.

To be clear: * I think the obsession with Mahommes by some Bills fans is weird because there's nothing that can be done to change what happened. It's water under the damn bridge. If NFL front offices knew that Mahommes would have the year he's having now he would have been the #1 pick in the 2017 draft. That he wasn't is simply a testimony to how smart Reid is when it comes to QB's. * But NONE of this has anything to do with Allen. The Bills did not pick Allen over Mahommes they picked Allen over Jackson & Rosen.

Are you saying that Allen was trending to be the #1 pick in 2018 in 2017? I watched a couple of games of his while at Wyoming and while the talk was about his great potential I don't remember anyone saying that he was in the running as the top pick. I could be wrong but Allen flew up the draft chart after he started working out for teams and they saw first hand his elite arm talent and how after just a little work with Jordan Palmer had significantly improved his footwork. Mahommes had completed his first year in the NFL at the time that anyone started to seriously suggest that Allen might be the top pick. As it was two QB's went ahead of Allen.

Exactly right. Sure blame the Bills management for this, though it doesn't change a thing, because no matter how much we wish Mahomes played for the Bills, he never will. More importantly, Allen is not part of this discussion. The Bills did not choose Allen over Mahommes. They choose Allen over Rosen & Jackson and if either of these two start playing like Mahommes then Bills fans can B word & moan. Right now it just strikes me as a weird obsession.

No it wasn't. When Mahommes was drafted we didn't even know Allen was coming out for the 2018 draft. Had Allen not impressed the Bills prior to the draft we would have taken Josh Rosen or maybe dealt up to grab Darnold. Again, the ONLY Bills QB you can compare Mahomes to is Tyrod. Because if the bills were not satisfied with Tyrod at that time then they may have taken Mahommes or Watson. Now if you want to criticize the Bills front office & caches for not appreciating how great Mahommes was going to be, go for it. Andy Reid deserves all the credit in the world for spotting this diamond in the rough. But it has NOTHING to do with Josh Allen today.

Do you think that at the time of the NFL draft in 2017 Allen was high on the Bills radar or that they were planning to take him with the 7th pick in the 2018 draft. My point was that the Bills did not pass on Mahomes becasue Allen MIGHT be available in 2018. And I stand by that point.

As for the game, clearly Mahomes is a top 3 QB in the NFL. The guy makes plays. But let's not forget that he has an elite offensive line as evidenced on that last screen pass that went for a TD. Did you see how well that was blocked!

Why would it put any pressure on Allen? The trade had nothing to do with Allen and everything to do with Tyrod. Wasn't the reason the Bills wern't interested in a QB in the 2017 draft because they thought Tyrod was good enough? This desire to compare Allen and Mahomes is weird.

You are aware that when the Bills passed on Mahomes they probably hadn't even heard of Allen? Ditto for Watson. I find this whole "oh I wish we drafted Mahomes" to be weird. I'm sure several other teams wish they'd take him to.

First thanks for linking to this article. I don't seek out national sports writers to read because I find them to generally be pretty piss poor at their job. So if I don't see it here on Two Bills Drive then I don't see it. And like others have said it is good to get outside our comfort zones and check out what others are saying about our team and our new QB. But when I read one of these articles I look to see if there are statements delivered as "fact" that I know from my own observations are not. And this article is full of them. A few of my issues with Barwell's summary of the rookie QB's: * I don't like that he supposedly looked at only the last 2 games closely and presumably didn't look at all their games closely. So what the hell is that supposed to tell us? The MOST IMPORTANT aspect of a rookie QB IMO is whether they are getting better and making progress. By definition his "analysis" can't answer that critical question. * His take on the throw to Clay at the end of the game against the Dolphins was flat out wrong. That Clay stood there flat footed in the end zone moving to the ball to late; then stumbling so what little movement he made was to little; and then not caching a ball that hit him square in the hands is the correct description of that play. And I'm not seeing it through rose tinted pro Allen glasses to say that. * After finishing his biased take on Allen I dove into his take on Darnold and right away was disappointed. If this guy ONLY looked at the last 2 games then how can he make a big deal about the lack of pass protection for Darnold and not Allen. I mean he just watched a game where Allen was HIT TEN TIMES by the Jets and Darnold was not touched ONCE by a Bill. I could go on but it's a waste of electronic letters to further react to this guy. BTW, I have no problem with objective criticism of Allen. I agree with those who say he has a LOT OF WORK to do and that there are elements of his game that need to improve. But that being said it's not "homerism" to believe we may have found the franchise QB that has eluded us for 20 years. Allen remains a work in progress and he may fall short of expectations but right now he's improving by the game and has already showed us stuff that qualifies as a big fat wow!

I'll take a stab at responding to these 3 points Biscuit: 1) The truth of the matter is that the QB who got us into the playoffs last year was named Andy Dalton. 2) The O-line was MUCH better. The WORST type of pressure a QB can face is when it comes right up the middle. Losing your two BEST O-linemen who happen to play guard & center guaranteed that Allen would face problems up the gut that Tyrod didn't have to deal with. One can only imagine how much better Allen's passing stats would be if he could reliably step up into a pocket to make his throws. 5) I think that Allen has significantly outperformed Rosen to date. He's shown himself to be a better passer and a much better runner and leader.

Wow your overall summary hit the nail on the head! That's exactly what my take on reading this was. I thought his description of Rosen was especially embarrassing.

Yes and it makes Allen's current progress all the more remarkable.

Alternatively Anderson, Barkley & Peterman threw a LOT of check down passes that aren't exactly a challenge to catch. Of course these check down throws to mediocre play makers often result in gains of 6 yards on 3rd & 9. Remember a check down pass to Gurlly, Kemora or McCaffrey works because they are elite level play makers out of the backfield. The Bills aren't blessed with that level of talent.

If the defense accepts the penalty then the play never happened so nothing is entered into the stats.

It's amazing Allen wasn't sacked on this play.