CincyBillsFan

If it wasn't for McCaffrey Newtons stats would be horrific. After tonight's game CMAC has 94 catches! Also folks McDermitt better NOT try to sign Carolina WR Funches who is a free agent I believe. This guy was cloned from the same vat that produced KB.

There has to be something wrong with his shoulder. I don't think this guy can throw the ball more then 20 yards.

Me to. That alone was worth watching this game. Pretty cool play and a real risk when you're going for 2. It's also like a safety in that Carolina still gets the ball back after the score.

Is it me or are the refs doing a poor job marking the ball this year? That looked like a 1st down hopefully the replay will correct the spot.

I'm hearing you coach! I also have that optimism and while it may be fools gold I'd rather be feeling good about this team in 2019 then walking around with a football cloud over my head. In addition to the fundamentals you laid out I do see the beginning of the end for the Evil Patriots empire. Next season will be a transition year in the AFC East and during transition years anything is possible.

To be fair to Newton the scuttlebutt is that he's playing with a shoulder injury. That being said, it wasn't a good look to be posing for the camera signalling a 1st down as the clock ran down on the half!

You might be right but I took his point as being along the lines of Allen has more drops because he throws the ball to hard.

Ouch. I never saw that quote before. Man it seems a bit hyperbolic.

I don't know but maybe it has something to do with Anderson & Peterman going to the check down all the time? I mean you aren't going to drop to many 5 yard passes on 3rd & 10 that the defense doesn't contest because they want you to catch that ball. This is the limitation of the analytics guys - they jump to conclusions when presented with the numbers often not considering the most likely factors explaining those numbers.

No one is saying you can't criticize Allen. But 90% of what passes for criticism on TBD about Allen is either nitpicking or agenda driven. No one is complaining about posters calling Allen to task over some of his dumber throws. But this is a Buffalo Bills Message Board and people should be biased towards the positive regarding Allen - not the negative.

Ok at the risk of being accused of beating a dead horse here Kemora just caught a pass that was 2 inches off the grass!

That's not what's happening here. If you actually read the posts almost all of Allen's supporters make it clear that he has a lot to work on and needs to improve his passing game. The thing we react to is the mindless Allen hate that keeps resurfacing under the guise of "analytics". This just seems irrational to me.

Anyone else watching this game? Watson for NO just made a diving catch for Brees. It looked to be almost the same catch that our WR did not make for Allen yesterday. And earlier in the game a TE for Carolina caught a ball about 6 inches off the grass and turned it into a 10 yard gain. It looked to be better catch then Clay didn't make at the end of the Miami game. Sorry, folks but when watching NFL games I see other teams ROUTINELY catching passes that our receivers drop.

I would add that when Josh Allen was playing Mr. super completion percentage man and had jumped out to an 80% completion % (8/10) we still had not scored a single point. It was only after Allen started throwing down the field that the O finally got in a groove that resulted in 14 points (it should have been 17 as it was a long pass that put us in FG range in the 3rd but we inexplicably went for it on 4th down instead). I'm starting to wonder if this whole % completion complaint isn't the last gasp of the Allen haters. At this point it's a very misleading metric. I guess these are the folks who believe irrelevant metrics are better then no metrics.

Great point about last nights game and Goff. This is typical of his game and it actually opens up his downfield strikes. Of course given the guys he's checking the ball down to he's learned that those plays can be just as big as a laser fired 25 yards down the field. The good news for me is that I would rather have a rookie QB who has the attitude of "screw the 5 yard pass, I want those 20 yard passes". That's not an attitude easily taught by the time a QB reaches the NFL. It's a lot easier to teach a young QB the value of checking down then it is to teach them to aggressively attack a secondary down the field.

The continued obsession with Allen's completion percentage appears to be the last refuge of the anti-Allen brigade. Though I've noted that it's subtly changed from "Allen is inaccurate" to "Allen's completion % is still at 50%". Because anyone watching the games since he came back from injury show that Allen is clearly accurate enough on his throws. It's fair to say that those of us who had some concern about Allen's accuracy in making ALL of the NFL throws are resting easier now because he has demonstrated that he can make all the throws. The issue now is how do we get to the point where the OFFENSE regularly completes 60% of its passes? Now some of this is on Allen who as a rookie is still not entirely comfortable with taking the easy 6 yard pass play when there's a more difficult 15 yard completion to make. But this will come with game reps and we've already seen signs that Allen is learning the value of "cheap passing" yards. Once we have a couple more threats that can turn 5 yard dump offs into 20 yard gains I suspect he'll throw even more of these passes and you'll quickly see his % completion jump up to 60 - 65%! But the key point here is that the 50% completion "issue" is no longer only Allen's problem. It is a team offensive problem that can be fixed with a couple of upgrades on the line and in the skill positions. The QB is no longer the main problem here.

And lets not forget that he didn't take a whole lot of snaps with the first team offense during training camp and in the preseason games. I get that the "plan" was for him to sit and probably not make an appearance until after the bye but circumstances didn't allow that. Still, his performance in the absence of a full preseason with the first team O has been all the more impressive.

I'm an optimist by nature but I think the Bills get their butts whipped against the Pats and that Allen has a bad day. My reasoning is simple - when was the last time the Patriots lost THREE IN A ROW in DECEMBER? I suspect Belichick will become personally involved in the defensive game plan in order to try to destroy Allen on Sunday. Giving that the Pats are facing future great QB's in Buffalo and NY he will do what is needed to try to stunt Allen's development by creating the conditions for the rookie to have a bad game. Then if you add up the Bills injuries I just don't think we can go into NE and play well. Now I hope I'm wrong because it would make this season very sweet if we went into NE and robbed them of a bye week and home field in the divisional playoffs. Even better IMO is that if the Pats lose to the Bills Sunday, it really will mean that the evil empire is collapsing and next year the Division is WIDE OPEN.

This is absolutely the correct take-away from yesterday's game. Those of us happy about Allen's passing performance are not looking at the stats but looking at the context in which Allen threw the ball. Watching him stand tall in the pocket, scan the field and make mostly accurate throws downfield answered an important question about his development. For me a couple of key questions were answered: * He can execute the short passing game. He was 8/10 out of the gate. * He can stand in the pocket and when given time pick a defense apart. He doesn't require "chaos" all around him to make a big throw downfield - he can calmly do it from the pocket in the old fashioned way.

I hope so, it would be a small price to pay.

The only reason last years playoff season was in any way good was that it ended a ridiculously long 18 year playoff drought. The fact that it took a miracle play by Andy Dalton to put the BIlls into the playoffs and then the lackluster performance by the Bills in the playoffs sort of lessened the impact if this achievement for me. After we took Allen at QB and let Tyrod go the most critical question of this season was whether Allen was the guy. I would submit that while it's not a done deal yet he does appear to be that elusive franchise QB we've been looking for since the days of Kelly. That's why this season is much more exciting for me then last season was.

You have to give credit where credit is due and the O-line pass protected very well in the 2nd half - particularly the 4th quarter.

It will with improved WR & TE play.

But given Wyoming's history prior to Allen's arrival he did produce for the Cowboys. Allen's path to the NFL has been very different then most elite level QB's. He played at a small rural HS and wasn't recruited out of HS. One of the reasons he wasn't recruited is he never attended the camps that high school kids (especially from rural areas) need to attend to BOTH improve their game and get noticed. Then he spent a year at Jr. College, played well there. He then tried to get to fbs college football by sending out a boat load of tapes see if anyone wanted him. And only Wyoming called. The bottom line is that if you compare the coaching & training Allen has received since becoming a teenage QB it is substantially less then almost every QB playing in the NFL today. The likelihood that we'll see huge improvements in his game going forward are excellent because for the first time in his life he's receiving elite level coaching/training to go along with his elite level skills. IMO this is the reason we should be optimistic about Allen.

Nice review. I look forward to reading them after the game. I would only add that for: #5 - Once the Bills surround Allen with some dangerous skill players teams that try to do what the Lions did today to shut down his running game will get torched. #10 - Funny even though Allen only ran for 16 yards they were all big plays - he got three 1st downs and a TD off his runs. This is where things get interesting next year. if the Bills can land a dominant WR and a decent TE teams are going to have a hard time game planning this offense. Do they go all out to stop Allen's runs and get carved up through the air or do they take their chances with Allen as a RB? What I want to see is 3 games in a row where Allen only rushes for a total of 50 yards then have a game where he goes for 135. That IS sustainable in the NFL. Seems to me this is becoming an increasingly irrelevant stat by the game. Today Allen showed good accuracy.