CincyBillsFan

They were really going after Mahomes on some of the morning football shows. It was strange. Did you know Mahomes is "only" 3 - 2 as a Super Bowl starter? My experiences have been that 80% of the national NFL "experts" are vain, pompous know nothings whose opinions change on a dime in reaction to the last game. Sure Mahomes sucked yesterday. So what it happens. For the first time I'm seeing some of the Allen hate redirected by these people against Mahomes and it's weird.

I believe that in the end Bishop is going to be a very good, 10 years starter at Safety for the Bills. I suspect that if you put Bishop on the Eagles and DeJean on the Bills they would have had similar seasons.

On offense to if we're being honest. Outside of Allen, Dawkins & Brown who else on the Bills O would start over the Eagles starters? Maybe Shakir?

Another positive outcome from last nights SB was that given Barkley's good but not great performance Allen's MVP looks even more legit in the hindsight of the playoffs.

To be clear though the Eagles defensive game plan and execution was the deciding factor. 80% of last nights win can be directly attributed to the play of the Eagles D. In the first half and first possession of the 2nd half, when the game was decided, the Eagles D dominated the Chiefs forcing repeated 3 & outs, and 2 TO's that led directly to 14 points. The Eagles O had not exactly dominated the Chiefs and in fact was responsible for only 10 of the Eagles 24 points by midway through the 3rd quarter.

He didn't look special when the game was on the line tonight. Again a horrific performance by the Bills defense against a KC team with a deeply flawed offense should not be the final measuring stick of whether or not Worthy is "special".

I'm not sure I've ever seen a more misleading stat in a game then this one. Well wait Mahomes finished the game with a 95 QB rating. If you ever doubted the ability of garbage time performances to corrupt the stats this is it.

Worthy is ok but he was nowhere to be found when this game was still competitive. He didn't have a catch until the Eagles were leading 34 - 0.

Agree. Almost all the offense produced by Mahomes and Worthy was after the game was decided (Eagles up 34 - 0 late in the 3rd quarter). A great example of how garbage time can really impact the stats.

Damn I never thought I would say this but calling that TO was a bush league move by Andy Reid.

This thread is over and it is clear where the Bills problems lie and it is NOT on the offensive side of the ball.

How was Brady at this by his 7th season? Seems to me Brady relied on his Defense, running game and HOF coach in the first half of his career. And this was becasue of his superior mental abilities or his all world defense, coaching and 1st ballot HOF coach?

Fortunately for the sanity of the Universe it is not true.

The Ravens were a stacked team with 9 Pro Bowlers and with expectations of making it to the AFC championship game at a minimum. Many considered Baltimore to have the best roster in the NFL. The Bills were a team that was rebuilding having let go of a number of their best players and with only 2 pro bowlers. Expectations for the Bills was generally low with a lot of the national experts predicting they would finish behind both the Dolphins & Jets and not make the playoffs.

You're being way to gracious. Unless King Henry was included I doubt a single NFL exec takes Jackson over Allen today. This is incomplete. If you reversed the stats and the underlining situations in Baltimore & Buffalo remained the same then Allen would have been a unanimous MVP pick.

Hollins is the most intriguing. As the season wore on he kept on making big plays without to many drops. In the playoffs he put up decent numbers. It's possible that with another training camp in which he's clearly the #3/4 receiver he may actually develop into a very good WR. Cooper is also interesting in that one wonders what a full off season/training camp might do to better integrate him into the O. Ditto for a healthy Samuel and of course Shakir is the definition of a steady eddy. So yea I could live with staying pat on O and throwing all the FA money and a good number of draft picks against the D. I would use one of the 2nd or one of the 4th round picks to take a speed burner at WR though.

The NFL has a significant officiating problem but like Nero fiddling as Rome burned, Goodell and the Billionaire Boys Club are focusing on playing all over world. Where next - Antarctica? Fix the refs then play a game at Timbuktu.

Funny how several posters repeatedly bring up the fact that Allen had a poor 1st series leading to a 3 & out against KC. My response has been "big deal" the Bills punted the Chiefs back to their 10 yard line so what's the problem? Get a 3 & out and the Bills have the ball back near midfield - all is good. But of course that didn't happen as the Bills D gave up a 9 play 90 yard TD drive without ever getting KC into a 3rd down! So to all of you who think the D isn't the biggest problem for the Bills in the playoffs consider this stat: In ALL three of the Bills playoff games this year, two of which were at home, the D allowed the opponent to score a TD on their opening possession. That has been, is, and will be the problem in the future if they can't fix the defense.

This just doesn't pass my eye test. The defense has been horrible in most of these playoff games. The fact that the last 2 Bills losses to the Chiefs in the playoffs came down to the O not delivering at the very end of the game ignores the fact that the D in those games created a constant demand on the offense that proved unsustainable. That the Offense and by extension Allen must almost be perfect to beat the Chiefs is a fundamental problem of the Bills D. Which is exasperated by the Bills coaching being defensive minded and the franchise over the last 6 years putting more resources against the defense then the offense.

The defense didn't allow KC to score a TD but they did give up a FG. The necessary stop would have been to force a punt. Can you be more specific about what Allen needs to "learn" to have a "legendary"drive? But yea it triggers me when people throw out that Allen needs to improve and play better for the Bills to advance to a Super Bowl when even the most casual football fan can see what the Bills playoff problem is - the DEFENSE. This thread correctly calls out the Defensive issues but you seem to have some special knowledge that shifts the cause to Allen. Allen playing even better and improving in the off season will not catapult the Bills into the Super Bowl in the face of two immutable facts: * The defense must play significantly better. * Other players must rise up and play their best football to compliment Allen.

Either I expressed myself poorly or you didn't read my reply properly. I never said that a defense has to stop the opponent from scoring on all but two drives. I agree that this would be an insanely high expectation. What I said was: "No one was asking the Bills D to stop Reid/Mahomes "completely" but how about they stop them from scoring points more then twice in a game?" My point was that it is reasonable to expect a playoff caliber defense to stop the opponent from scoring on more then 2 drives per game. In the KC game the Chiefs had 8 total drives (excluding the kneel downs at the end of the half and at the end of the game). They scored on 5 of those 8 drives including 4 TD's. The Bills D only stopped them twice as the 3rd "stop" was an unforced fumble loss by the Chiefs as they were heading in for another TD. All I'm saying is that holding the Chiefs on one more drive that didn't end in points likely wins the game for the Bills. That would still mean that the KC scores on 4 of 8 drives. Hardly unreasonable.

As I recall Montana needed a Bengal DB to drop an easy INT in the end zone to finish off that drive. All the drives you mention required MORE then the QB making great plays. No one was asking the Bills D to stop Reid/Mahomes "completely" but how about they stop them from scoring points more then twice in a game? Oh and I don't give the D any credit for the fumble recovery as that was UNFORCED.

As others have noted e need two elite, impact players: * One guy for the D so that once or twice a game we can depend on them causing something bad to happen to the opponents offense at a critical moment in the game. * One guy on the O who alongside Allen can create synergistic opportunities for truly game changing, impactful plays on offense.

Great points. As you advance deeper into the playoffs the chances of getting the types of QB's & offenses that the McD D shines against get slimmer and slimmer.It's so damn obvious it begs the question as to why we even argue about it.

Judas Priest, Allen threw a poor ball on 1st down, so what. Do you expect every pass to be great? The pass to Kincaid was a very catchable ball by NFL standards. Sure it wasn't an easy catch but most NFL catches are not easy. When you people talk about these magical elite QB led game winning drives it's usually not about receivers getting wide open for easy throw and catch plays. It's about QB's making amazing throws under pressure and receivers making spectacular catches or runs after the catch. That is how these legends are made. Allen simply can't do it by himself. Others have to rise to the occasion and in the playoffs they haven't. Do you know who was the ONLY Bills skill player who raised his play in a playoff game and shined alongside Allen? Gabe Davis in the 13 second game. His 200 plus yards & 4 TD receiving was the only player in the Allen playoff years to put up ELITE stats alongside Allens. What is Eli Manning without those spectacular catches? What is Mahomes in the 13 second game without Hill taking a 5 yard crosser 65 yards to the house with his blazing speed or Kelsey making great, contested catch after great contested catch? Or how about Kelly if Thomas & Reed were not on the field?