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Just now, HappyDays said:
The Ravens defense is ranked 2nd by DVOA. Ours is ranked 12th. Their special teams is ranked 4th. Ours is ranked 18th. It is not debatable that the other two phases of the game have heavily favored Lamar over Allen.
The only reason the Bills are even in a playoff spot right now is because Allen had clutch game winning drives against the Giants, Chiefs, and Chargers. He also had clutch game winning drives against the Pats, Broncos, and Eagles, but unfortunately...
Yep and those short fields against SF brought to the Ravens by their D certainly helped Jackson's TD totals.
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31 minutes ago, zow2 said:
The most absurd reason for Lamar being MVP and not Allen that I heard this week on TV... "Lamar would have 45 TD's by now if he called him own number by the goal line like Allen does". Ok, so now we're going to award the MVP based on reasoning like that for things that never happened?
That would be true for Hurts who scores a lot of 1 yard tush push TD's but I believe more then half of Allen's rushing TD's were scored from more then 5 yards out.
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3 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:
So the part I have an issue with is the idea that an “arm punt” is no big deal or should be looked at differently. I would rather have a leg punt than an arm punt. An interception of any kind can flip momentum. As Miami showed against the Jets, an interception on a Hail Mary can also prove to be costly. Josh does have a lot of interceptions, no matter the reason, but he has also put up an incredible amount of offense and touchdowns. Hopefully that part carries over to the final 2 games, the Bills win both and the voters make their decision then (as opposed to with 2 weeks to go which it sounds like some already have)
But there is a hierarchy to how bad an INT is based on were on the field and under what circumstances it occurs.
* Pick 6's are the worst kind of INT and Allen doesn't have one this season.
* Red zone INT's (both in the opponents and in the Bills red zone) are very bad and Allen doesn't have one of those either.
* 3rd down INT's thrown from your side of the 50 that end up on the opponents side of the 50 (arm punt) are not that bad.
Also such things as average place on the field the INT occurs can define how bad the INT was.
So far Allen's INT's, while more numerous then one would like, haven't been awful in their outcomes.
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12 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
Skip didn't even acknowledge that Sherman was making a case for Allen and Keyshawn had no response. I agree both of them looked bad.
I had a slightly different take: Skippy kept his mouth shut because he knew Sherman was 100% right. Bayless may come across as a shrill Cowboy homer but he does know football enough to understand that Sherman was making a lot of sense.
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21 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:
Notice it’s always the downer fans that tend to run to support opposing team QBs? Why is that? Maybe that’s the conversation we should be having.
Maybe they're not "fans" or maybe they're just overly invested in their negative takes on Allen from back in April 2018.
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5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Their oline has taken a major step back this year. Bad OTs and now injuries in the interior. Combine that with their garbage WRs, it’s the season from hell for Mahomes.
Like Allen had last season when he had the worst Guard play in the league and the RT was a turnstile. The WR group was so bad they had to bring Brown & Beasley back from their couches to play. And yet Allen led the Bills to a 13 - 3 season had 5045 total yards and 42 total TD's.
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7 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:
I know the staggered weekend has thrown off the normal schedule routine, but I am a bit surprised at how little I am hearing about the Bills. I know that there were splashier results in more advertised games (Cowboys vs Dolphins, Ravens vs Niners) and a bigger upset (Chiefs loss) but very little about how the Bills clawed their way to the 6th seed with the potential to jump to #2.
Cowherd put the Bills at #3 in his Herd hierarchy. The Ravens are #1 & the 49's #2. Nick Wright didn't like it.
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8 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:
At the end of the day team record plays a part in MVP voting. Regardless of Lamar having a few bad games, Baltimore will probably finish first in the AFC.
Had the Bills not had to scratch and claw to make the playoffs things might be different.
I agree but an analysis of what got the team to the point they are is a criteria for MVP. Jackson has had a very good but not spectacular season and the Ravens success seems to be due more to their defense then offense.
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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
This is reality. Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, and KC all arguably played inferior teams this week - and lost.
For Cincy, Jake Browning aka "who is this *****in' guy?" against Jax, Indy, and Minn, came down to earth with a *thump* throwing 3 picks and fumbling. In the Minshew/Heinicke bowl, 'ol Masculine Mustache threw a pick at the worst time. KC looked awful vs the Raiders, a 6-8 team lead by a 4th round rookie from that football powerhouse, Purdue: Pacheco fumbled, Mahomes threw a pick.
And while it's two top tier teams battling it out, the Ravens came into the 49ers home, dug up their dirt, and planted daisies in it which they fertilized with 4 "Purdy Good" interceptions and some Christian McCaffrey tears.
Reality is that lesser teams beat good teams every week. Especially at this time of the year, teams who are out of it play free and loose to delight in playing "spoiler", and top teams start looking past this week's game, past the end of the season towards playoffs.
The Bills played badly enough to lose, with TWO (not one) Cook fumbles and a bad Josh Allen pick.
They didn't lose, like Cincy Indy Jax, KC, and the 9ers did: they won. That's reality, The End.
And the Eagles almost gave away their game to the Giants at home with Hurts throwing a pick 6 while the Eagles were in the Giants red zone.
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50 minutes ago, BananaB said:
Maybe, I’d be curious to see that. How many QBs led late drives to put their teams ahead and what was the team record in those games. Not something I’m looking up but my guess would Josh has the most with the most losses. Jmo. Being clutch is when you show up when the game is on the line. Josh has, but the team found ways to lose after
Thats the thing, you don’t have to play perfect football all the time to win games. You can’t tell me a QB who has 19 passing TDs hasn’t played some ugly ball at some point in the season. Obviously the D is taking a lot of pressure off him.
The biggest problem with the talking heads and the reason I never listen to them is because they believe players gotta be perfect to win games every week. It’s never gonna be that way. Josh has put up 40 TDs and he’s probably the only MVP candidate in history to have an OC change in season. That’s ***** incredible.
In their 2nd game against Cleveland the Ravens lost in large part due to Jackson who threw 2 INT's including a backbreaking pick 6. In their 17 - 10 loss to the Steeler's Jackson threw an INT, was tackled for a safety and lost a fumble without scoring a single TD himself. The Ravens were shut out in the 2nd half. So yea Jackson has had some clunkers that led directly to losses to.
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47 minutes ago, billieve420 said:
Part of that is due to Allen and this team. Buffalo should be competing for #1 seed instead of scrambling to get into the playoffs. Allen’s turnovers have directly led to some of the losses which has put team in this situation. To me the offense has underperformed this year which will end up hurting his case. I do think he is in the conversation though. My vote would go to CMC who is the MVP for the 49ers in a down year overall with the QBs. If Allen wins out in impressive fashion in these last 2 games he could make it close. I think end of the day Bills need to win the AFC east for Allen to potentially win it.Allen's TO's led to one loss IMO. Those other losses had other reasons for why the Bills lost.
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1 minute ago, stuvian said:
One serious thrashing. If this is a Superbowl preview the game will be a blowout
Three of the four 49's losses have been to AFC teams. Unless the 49's were in the AFC South would they be playing for a wild card in the AFC?
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4 minutes ago, stuvian said:
A little surprised as to why the 49ers went with a pass first game plan when they have a healthy McCaffrey
Sometimes Shanahan outsmarts himself. He put the game in the hands of Purdy and we can see the result.
Just now, dakrider said:Right now Baltimore and Cleveland are looking like 2 best teams in NFL, followed by Miami and Buffalo.
Until next week or the week after. I've never seen such a topsy turvey NFL season like this one.
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1 minute ago, Carmel Corn said:
I wonder if those helmet heaters even get broken when players slam their helmets down on them?
Hope the Ravens have enough motivation to squish the fish.
They should as a loss to Miami would jeopardize the #1 seed as both teams would have 4 losses and the fins would have the head to head.
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1 minute ago, peterpan said:
I remember maybe 8-10 years ago when I wanted the bills to sign Trent Williams and everyone told me he was too old. Lol.
I also saw the replays of Purdys picks. Only one was bad the others were unlucky tips. Hardly anything to really blame on him.The 3rd pick was a bad throw that Purdy tried to force into a covered WR. That was not the same as the 2nd pick whch was batted at the line and unlucky.
But who cares, I don't remember people making excuses for Allen's picks when they were the result of a WR being out muscled for the ball or the ball going through the hands of a WR for a pick.
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16 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
He's so average this year.
The talking heads are so impressed with the Jackson run and it was awesome. But in the end the Ravens had to settle for a 3rd FG.
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8 minutes ago, boyst said:
The niners.... Wow. They're off.
Or they've padded their record feasting off NFC softies......
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5 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:
Lamar is a hell of a runner....can't deny what he can do
That Jackson run was special but they still didn't get into the end zone on that drive.
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Judas Priest, the Allen is a TO machine narrative is dead.
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14 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:
Has the defensive side of the ball improved or has the quality of quarterbacking regressed?
Good question. One thing for sure is after this weekend NO ONE can claim Allen is a turnover machine. Because if Allen is TO prone then so is Hurts & Mahomes. And they throw pick 6's to boot.
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2 minutes ago, Beast said:
I wouldn’t say the chance we just handle them is extremely small. The Patriots slapped us right across the face earlier this season. I expect the Bills will remember that and come out and play accordingly.I think the Bills/Pats game is more likely to go the way of the Raiders & Redskins games then the Giants or Chargers games.
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2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:
The Bengals-Chiefs game next week is MASSIVE. If the Bengals can pull the upset, which I can totally see, we're going to be back in nail-biting territory.
The Bengal's are not beating the Chiefs. The tape on Browning is out and the KC defense will feast. At the same time Cincy has problems on D. The Chiefs will move the ball and put up points.
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Well now that we have seen the carnage as virtually the entire AFC wildcard group was laid waste this weekend do the negative Nellie's appreciate the Bills victory more?
Sure the Bills were sloppy with 3 TO's and way to many penalties. But they got the win. What was the excuse of the Bengal's who got blown out? Or the Colts that lost by 19 to a team with a losing record? Or Denver that lost at home to a team with 3 wins? Or the Jags that got annihilated by TB?
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11 hours ago, dma0034 said:
For as much talk as Allen gets. He owns the 17th best TD to Turnover ratio ever.
Lawrence fumbles a lot. I think Lawrence and Allen are exact opposites in this regard: Lawrence was a can't miss 1st rounder and Allen was a risky pick. Now Allen is a megastar and Lawrence is very average but the sports media beats up Allen and holds up Lawrence because of their original takes on the QB when they were coming out of college
By my count Lawrence now has 19 total turnovers compared to Allen's 18. Lawrence also has a total of 23 TD's while Allen has 40. Seventeen more TD's with one less TO - enough said.
2023 MVP: Lamar will win it with 15 fewer TDs than Josh Allen (end of season talk pg 75+)
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Agree and that was one of the biggest criticisms of Allen his first two seasons in the NFL. All we heard is how terrible it was that Allen kept dropping back in a futile effort to avoid a sack. A lot of folks on 2BD called that out as an example of Allen playing "hero ball" to the detriment of the team. Jackson does the exact same thing in his 6th year and all people can do is blame the ref. I wonder if the ref was caught by surprise that Jackson would do something as foolish and reckless as falling back 20 yards into his own end zone?