CincyBillsFan

This crap is on Tomlin. Why the hell are the Steelers still throwing the football AFTER the two sacks? Come on man. The game is over run a freaking dive play.

On this we agree 100%. We're in year 2 of Allen and I can't recall a catch as good as the one we just saw. Or the one we saw Tate make last Monday night. Or the one............... We just don't have guys that can do this - ever. And I know some will say we're making excuses for Allen but I watch a lot of football and guys are making great catches EVERY game except for us. Hell on Saturday we're seeing college kids make amazing grabs.

I don't know. From my vantage point that was a bad throw and terrible decision by Mayfield. That ball should have been intercepted. The TE made a spectacular play but IMO Mayfield looked frazzled and he tried to force that pass when all the Browns needed to ice the game was a FG.

That was an amazing catch and a terrible throw by Mayfield! My goodness a FG wins the game and Mayfield threw, what would 9 times out of 10 be an INT. The stats will show that as a TD pass but my goodness I would be so peeved at Allen if he had thrown that pass under that situation.

The Browns are blowing chance after chance after chance to put this game away. IMO they're playing with fire.

He's also converted a lot of 3rd & longs doing it to. And a lot of his big runs started out with his getting away from the pass rush.

If I was a Steelers fan I would be urging the same thing with Rudolph that I am with Allen - be patient. It's still to early to know whether he is the long term replacement for Big Ben. But so far Allen is way ahead of Rudolph particularly his escapability. Some folks don't appreciate how good Allen is at avoiding the sack and extending a play.

I think what watching Mayfield & Rudolph do is help us to calibrate our expectations about how Allen should be playing. Right now Allen is on par with Mayfield and better then Rudolph. We need to be patient and stop over analyzing every pass Allen throws. Because when I apply the eye test to Rudolph, Mayfield and Allen our guy looks pretty good.

Sometimes UNDER THROWING a deep ball is worse then over throwing it.

A lot of chunk plays result from a strong running play. First it makes the deep pass off a play action lethal and great RB's can create chunk plays all time. I've seen quite few 60 - 80 yard TD runs this year!

Well we know what the Browns worked on the last couple of days!

It starts with the play action with Chubbs. Gore just doesn't inspire a similar level of concern on the part of the safety.

Great point. After watching Freddie Kitchens call plays Daboll is a freaking genius. Even Pittsburgh's play calling makes sense. Chip away and by the 2nd half the Browns D will be wearing down.

Judas Priest the play calling in the NFL is generally bad. Why not run on 2nd & 4? Especially with a guy that could take it to the house on any play. Not only does it give you a better chance to pick up the 1st down in the first quarter but it sets up the play action pass in the 2nd quarter.

He got one last week but overall not many.

I'll admit that I didn't want them to go after Hunt. But the guy can play. What the Bills do need to do is address QB RB (my bad) in FA and/or the draft next year.

That's because he has guys that can make plays. The throw to Hunt was a 50/50 ball (at best) and Hunt made a great play on the ball.

What do you even mean by a "huge investment"? They were draft picks. Had the Bills done nothing then they would only have had the option of drafting Rosen at 12 as it's well known that Arizona was desperately trying to move up to take Allen. And the team Allen quarterbacked last year was every bit as bad on offense as the 2018 Arizona Cardinals were and this years Miami Dolphins are. One of the reasons I'm optimistic about Allen is that he landed in just as bad a cluster frack on Offense as Rosen landed in and Allen made it work. Rosen didn't at two different places. Don't forget the Dolphins gave Rosen EVERY chance to hold that job and he didn't. And I can't believe that you actually think Jackson would have worked out here. The worst thing any team could do to Jackson was to try to make him a pocket passer. Baltimore deserves kudos for thinking out of the box and showing great imagination in their handling of Lamar. There is no evidence that the Bills would have followed suit. And even if they did the Bills didn't have the talent on the O-line and at TE to do what Baltimore did. And do you really think the Bills were serious players to sign Cousins? First, I doubt we were on Cousin's short list and second talk about HUGE INVESTMENTS! As for case Keenum, are you kidding me! I would much rather have Allen, who is still getting better, then Keenum.

That's not my definition of a "huge investment". They had extra picks and traded a couple of them to move up and take Allen. Had we NOT used those picks to move up and stayed pat we would most likely have taken the other Josh as in Josh Rosen. How do you think that would have worked out? And before you say maybe the Bills trade down and take Jackson - Lamar would have failed in Buffalo because there is ZERO evidence that this organization would have adapted their O to fit Jackson's style. And while Jackson benefited from a playoff caliber O line & TE group in Baltimore how do you think he does with the Bill's 2018 O line & TE's? And money does matter. Had Tyrod stayed, in 2018 & 2019 the Bills would have sank about $35M in their QB for TWO years. They're paying Allen $21M for FOUR years. That's a lot of extra money to pay FA's with.

Yep and Allen was half a second late in getting the ball to him. That's how close we are to substantially elevating this pass game. And I see no reason that with more experience Allen makes that throw on time. But what the picture doesn't tell you unless you look real close is that Allen is probably already feeling the heat of the Brown's DE who has badly beaten our Tackle on an inside move (I believe that's Garret) so Allen must continue moving to avoid the sack. And what the picture doesn't show you is that on the pass, which was a half second late, Knox doesn't take a step towards the ball which allows the DB to close the gap and bat the ball away. Had Knox took a step forward, like a lot of pass savvy TE's would do, he either catches the ball by shielding it from the DB or the DB commits PI. Finally, while I appreciate DeMarco's help in pointing out the guy breaking open WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING DOWNFIELD on the route. How many times have we hit him with a pass 15 yards field in the middle of the field? Wouldn't he have been more useful helping our tackle block Garret on that play? Just saying.

I sure as hell would rather see Knox split out wide then either Gore or DeMarco! Knox is interesting in that right now he is a below average TE in the passing game and is probably doing more harm then good. Yet, he has shown enough to indicate that over the medium term he's going to be an absolute stud catching the ball down the field. As others have noted his experience in the passing game is almost nonexistent. And this I'm sure has contributed to some of his drops but I suspect the bigger concern for Bills coaches is that Knox was not an experienced route runner even at the college level. He doesn't seem to get sitting down in a zone and he routinely brings his cover guy(s) into an area where Allen is throwing the ball to someone else. At the same time Knox has made some nice catches and his YAC can be impressive if he gets up a head of steam. At this point I think we should turn him lose and have him on the field on almost every passing play. He is at least capable of creating a big play. And IMO next year the conversation around Knox is going to be completely different as the guy catches 50 passes and 10 TD's.

I still can't wrap my head around how stupid Sullivan's point is. I would expect more thought from a drunk Bills fan at closing time. It's simple, in his first 20 starts Sullivan shows data indicating that Allen has roughly matched Tyrod's QB stats at about ONE THIRD the cost to the Bills! That alone would make the move smart. But with Allen we have a very real chance that he will get better, perhaps MUCH better. With Tyrod what we had was what we could ever expect to have. And even a casual glance at the O-line, RB's, TE's & WR's Tyrod had to work with over his last 20 games compared to what Allen has had over his first 20 games would clearly show that Tyrod was working with a lot more. Allen may not get much better. But the Bills are going to be smart and patient and give him at least a full 3 years (and IMO it should be 4 years) to match what they gave Tyrod. If Allen doesn't work out they don't have to give him a new contract and they can let him go. IMO though at this time next year the obsession on 2BD will be if we're going to pay Allen what he's worth and that if we don't we might lose him. And we'll find that worrying about that is just as bad as worrying about whether Allen is a bust who can't hit the deep ball.

That's $5.25M per year for Allen. I believe in 2017 the Bills paid Tyrod $14.5M and if they had stuck with him in 2018 the cost would have been $16M. So from a cost & cap standpoint Allen is costing the Bills about ONE THIRD what Tyrod would have cost them in 2018 & 2019. The Bills decided to tear down the O and redirect the money to rebuilding the D. Keeping Tyrod, to manage the game and with little future upside, at $16M per year didn't make sense when you could draft a rookie QB who would make $5M per year, likely be able to game manage and have the potential to get significantly better in the future. It was a NO BRAINER.

In your attempt to bash Allen you pose an interesting question: If coaches had a chance to take ONE Bills player without cost and get them as they are (contract, age, etc.) I agree that White would get the most takers. But who would get the 2nd most takers? I think that's a no brianer and the answer would be Allen. In fact while most teams would take White, a couple with QB issues would take Allen over White. And if teams could take TWO Bills players is there any doubt it would be White AND Allen. If you think I'm wrong throw out some other names? I'm willing to argue it.

This is probably the best way for the Bill's to approach next year. * We must get an ACCURATE read on Allen and that isn't happening with the current talent level on offense. * And if we're going to make and win playoff games we need to score more then 20 points a game on a reliable basis. And the current offensive talent isn't going to do that no matter who is in there at QB. The Bills are close, closer then we think. I believe Allen is the guy and focusing on the O will not result in much of a decline on D. It will however give a big boost to the O. With a better offense and a solid defense the Bills are a 12 win team in the NFL.