CincyBillsFan

To be honest watching Sunday night football is becoming a chore & a bore. Al Micheals isn't very observant and he's got a bit of a nasty streak. And Collinsworth is insufferable and wears his favoritism on his sleeve. As for the game - the Bears fans can boo all they want but Turbisky has been running for his life. And I didn't realize the Bears had lost all 3 TE's from last season.

Interesting observation in reaction to all the Mahmes love on 2BD: Versus New England Mahomes = 26/40 for 283 yards; 1 TD & 1 INT; QB rating of 84; 6 rushes for 6 yards. Total yards = 289 Allen = 13/26 for 208 yards; 2 TD's & 0 INT; QB rating of 103; 7 rushes for 43 yards. Total yards = 251 Seems like very comparable games against a great defense in their house. Sure KC beat NE 23 - 16 and the Bills lost 24 - 17.. But would folks agree that KC has a better set of skill players?

This is so true. Another NFL Sunday and I've seen dozens of poorly placed balls caught by receivers making great plays. In fact it's the norm for most teams to have 5 - 10 of those kinds of passes. The ONLY thing about Allen & the Bills in these situations that's different is that Bill's receivers seem to make less of those catches. So another week of watching NFL games continues to show QB's overthrowing open receivers on the deep ball. QB's missing wide open guys on intermediate passes. QB's taking bad sacks & taking their teams out of FG range. I could go on. We put every Allen play under a microscope and declare any misfire a problem. Yet by those standards there's only 2 good QB's in the NFL. I also love the play by the Eagles Sanders there - Unselfish and Smart!

Judas Priest, this is the Dolphins team some folks thought would go up and beat the Pat's in Foxborow when NE needed to win to take the division?

What did I miss here? There are "Bills" fans thinking TN is better then the Bills? Really? There's a small but vocal subset of masochistic Bills fans that post on 2BD. It's nauseating if you ask me.

Nice article but did you notice that Thad started covering the Bills 20 years ago at the start of their decline? I think it's pretty clear that Brown is to blame for the last 20 years.

And size matters in the red zone - that guy looked pretty big.

Without being privy to the Bills film room we'll never know for sure about the play design. But I think it's fair to say that Daboll's play designs are NOT getting the most out of our TE's & RB's in the passing game. The question is whether it's on the players or the design? I'm leaning towards both.

I'm beginning to wonder how much scheme is contributing to the Bills offensive problems. I'm watching all these games on Red Zone and I'm amazed at all the WIDE OPEN guys on some pass plays. And it's NOT becasue they're making shifty moves like Smoke did yesterday but because the play design got them open. I'm talking about Darnold throwing a 2 yard pass to a TE that is so open he rumbles 30 yards before he gets touched. Or the 61 yard TD pass that Brees threw to a TE so open that he ran 45 yards untouched for the TD. Or the TD pass from Jackson to Ingram where he was wide open. We just don't see much (if any) guys getting that open for the Bills.

Watching NFL Red Zone and I'm amazed at the catches and big plays being made. Did you guys see the catch #89 on the Ravens just made? The Bills need this kind of play making before they can elevate their offense to the next level.

I'm with you here except that I would only take Mahomes. Watson is very good but I see Allen closing in on him. Those wanting to take Jackson are nuts unless they specify the caveat that they would want a complete rebuild & redirection of the offense. I think Jackson is doing great but you can't separate the unique offense he's in from his performance. Put him in the current Bill's O and IMO Jackson flounders. And I don't rule out the very real possibility that by the end of next season we wouldn't trade Allen for any other QB.

You are spot on here! It's really deranged the way some fans do this with Allen. I just watched a replay of the 1st half of the Bills/Raiders 1991 Championship game and Kelly had two bad throws where he missed wide open guys about 15 yards down the field and the 1st thing I thought was that it was a good thing we didn't have social media back then!

I'm astonished you apparently don't watch much football. Sure Allen misses a receiver at times but you're acting like he does it all the time. Most of his passes to Beasley are darts and right on the money. And just like Beasley & Knox will drop a well thrown pass Allen will miss a throw. It happens to every QB. I watched all 3 games yesterday and I saw all 6 QB's miss wide open guys. Allen did not stand out in doing this and he went up against the best defense playing yesterday. I just don't get the fixation with every bad pass Allen throws.

Do you watch the games? On almost every screen pass Allen has NO CHOICE but to throw the ball into the ground to avoid completing a pass for a 5 yard loss. It's clear to anyone with eyes that our O-line struggles to get out in front of the screen and to block in space. There is absolutely zero evidence that Allen can't throw the screen pass. On the rare occasions where there's been room for a screen Allen has hit it EVERY time. On a couple of the 10 - 15 yard gains off the screen we had holding penalties that brought the play back. By my recollection only one screen pass has worked all season and that was the 49 yard one to Singleterry against the Redskins. In fact the inability to execute screen passes, which is not on Allen, has hurt Allen's completion %. In almost every game Allen has to throw 1 or 2 balls at the feet of the RB because the D is all over him. Those should be easy completions that pump up Allen's stats. More importantly successful screen passes neutralize those all out blitz packages thrown at the Bills. This is a serious deficiency with our offense and I don't see it as Allen's fault in the slightest.

This is such an important point! The REAL test of a young QB is whether the DC's can figure them out and shut them down. How often do you see a guy come out and play lights out for a few weeks & then it all comes crashing down around them as the DC's figure out their weaknesses. There are several examples of it happening just this year. Allen's ability to improve on what needs improving is very encouraging. After last season he needed to develop his short & intermediate level passing accuracy and he did. He also had to learn how to read defenses and get to his 2nd & 3rd reads and he has. While focusing on these things, he let his long ball game get away from him. So what happened? He focused on that and we can see the results the last few games where he is throwing a much better deep pass. Allen's ability to IMPROVE every aspect of his game is huge. It's a defining quality of a young QB. Just look at how much better Allen played against NE yesterday versus the first game. Is he there yet? Hell no, but why would folks doubt that he's going to get there? If he's proven one thing since he left Wyoming is that he's willing to put in the hard work and has the physical & mental tools to keep improving his game. He improved his game from college to the Senior Bowl. He then improved his game from the Senior Bowl to the Pro tryout camps before the draft. In his rookie season Allen improved his game from before to after his injury. He then improved his game from the end of last season to the start of this season. And he improved his game from early this season to now. IMO you have to be blind or irrationally stubborn not to see this. Allen continues to get better. This is either trolling or a prime example of Allen Derangement Syndrome!

Yea I know you said after the merger but you can't ignore JACK KEMP my man! And lets be honest, the Bills backed into the playoffs with Tyrod.

So you jinxed us by asking this BEFORE we scored?

I would also add that of the 6 QB's playing today only 2 threw for over 300 yards and they both lost. And both of the 300 yard passers threw pick sixes. It's clear to me that in these late season, playoff like dog fights throwing a pick 6 is a much more critical factor then throwing for over 300 yards.

Interesting observation after a great day of NFL football in which all 3 games had playoff implications. How did the QB's do? Allen was the youngest & Brady was the oldest and we had some big names playing today. So going by QB rating we have: 1) Brady = 111; 1 TD/0 INT 2) Allen = 103; 2 TD/0 INT 3) Goff = 86; 2 TD/1 INT (1 Pick 6) 4) Garoppolo = 71; 1 TD/2 INT 5) Watson = 62; 0 TD/1 INT 6) Winston = 47; 1 TD/4 INT (1 Pick 6) Not bad showing by Allen all things considered.

So to be clear 2BD becomes " unreadable" after a game when folks are optimistic and our young QB plays great? I would take delusional fandom over pathetic any day of the week.

To be clear I was referring more to the so called national "experts" commenting on the draft. On 2BD there was a decent # of posters who were optimistic and intrigued by Allen's potential. But even here there were a sizable # of posters who thought the Bills had made a HUGE mistake taking Allen. And you were right - we are competing for a championship in 2019.

I bet that last year you would have offered "60%" in the same bet. What will it be next year when Allen is at 63%? 70%? And if Allen can meet certain total TD numbers while minimizing TO's I can live with a 60% completion percentage.

Pretty much. It's one thing to believe Allen will never be an elite NFL QB it's quite another to claim that Allen is not an NFL caliber QB. He's clearly showed that at a minimum he's that.

The announcers kept calling Winston a "gunslinger" - 31 passing TD's; all sorts of 300 & 400 yard passing games; 28 interceptions and a 7 - 8 record with no playoffs. We don't want a gunslinger. As for Turbisky? Who knows but if the Bears walk away from him I suspect that they will be sorry.

Allen hasn't even finished his 2nd season yet and the positives far outweigh the negatives. This season he has 29 TD's & only 13 TO's. His team is 10 - 5 and has already locked up a playoff spot. He was declared to be a major project with a real possibility of being a bust. That is the FACT of how he was viewed by the vast majority of folks on May 1, 2018. Anyone claiming different is guilty of rewriting history. By this standard Allen has exceeded expectations by quite a bit. Short of injury, I'm 100% positive that Allen will be our QB over the next 5 years. If he isn't we're FRACKED.