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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
They did have a 2nd year safety they spent a 1st round pick on ready to step in, which factored into that decision.
The Bengal's made a decision based on what was best for their offense. They did this because they have an elite QB and they have worked tirelessly the last few seasons to surround him with the best possible talent on O. The Bills made off season FA decisions based on what was best for their defense. At its core this is the fundamental difference between Buffalo and the other leading SB contenders this season.
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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Not all on Allen at all. But there is a narrative that is being attempted here that none of the passing game struggles are on Josh. And they are. It is all parts. Separation hasn't been great against man. Protection has had difficult games against KC and New England. The drops have been drive killers. But there have been bad reads, slow decisions and poor throws (including throws fired in at short quarters unnecessarily) that have contributed too.
Everyone on that side needs to play better tomorrow and in the playoffs. And as always on offense it starts with your Quarterback.
This is true of every elite QB in the NFL today. I agree that Allen owns some of this but at the same time the Bills have not focused on surrounding him with high end play makers until just this off season and that was through the draft.
Allen is the reason the Bills are playing for a division title tomorrow and the reason that they've won at least 10 games for the last 5 seasons, and are on the cusp of winning at least 11 games for 4 straight seasons and are about to make it 5 straight playoff seasons and 4 straight division titles.
IMO nitpicking what Allen could do a little better to get the Bills over the hump is the last place this team needs to look.
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12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
This is something I posted about Sunday’s game in the MVP thread. Joe Marino did a full All-22 analysis of the game and largely concludes our receivers are letting Josh down.
Bruce Nolan said the same thing in his Bruce Exclusive podcast this week. He emphasizes the team really needs 2 things we don't have: a field stretcher and someone who's dynamic with the ball in their hands.
Brown was the field stretcher in 2020 and we haven't had one since for a couple of seasons. This is a huge need when you have a QB that can put the ball almost anywhere on the field from almost any spot on the field.
The other thing the Bill's receiving group doesn't have is the type of WR that turns 50/50 balls into 90/10 balls. The kind that can high point the ball. You know a guy like D Hop. The Bills, focusing on the D signed Floyd who has played great and leads the team in sacks. On the other hand if they had signed D Hop can you imagine how much better the O would be? Look at the numbers D Hop has posted with the crap QB's in TN throwing to him: 68 catches for 1011 yards & 6 TD's.
These are the choices that the Bills, as a defensive minded franchise, are making. The Bengals let 2 very good safeties walk in order to free up money to further strengthen their O line to protect their elite QB so he could make more throws to their elite collection of WR's.
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20 hours ago, Einstein said:
The video reviewer actually says something along the lines of “on second thought, this is a good play by the Patriots. It’s a tough minus (for Allen)”. Even he admits it’s horse crap to blame Allen for it, but he doesn’t remove it from the film…
Another from the video. Josh didn’t hit Diggs 25 yards down field, on the run, with two defenders about to pummel him. It was a scramble drill and THIS was used as an example of Allen missing an open guy. The analysis in the video was a joke.
I get that i’m an Allen homer but my goodness some of the stuff he is getting blamed for is wild.
In fact wasn't this the play where a smart Diggs would have slowed down and drawn a guaranteed PI call?
18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:And over the last month the worst in the NFL when not under pressure.
Is that all on Allen or does the fact that the receivers often don't get open or at other times drop the ball contribute to this?
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14 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
We're constantly having to ask these "what happened" questions with this team.
Allen one week is 320 and 4 TDs, the next week its 169 and 1 INT.
Diggs disappears and it's all fine at OBD.
Cook 179 yards one week, 35 the next week.
Kincaid 8 catches one week, 1 target the next week.
We all see these things.
And we all see that this happens to EVERY other team in the NFL, especially this season.
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23 hours ago, Beck Water said:
A little bit of the Devil's Advocate here. While Brady was, in his prime, unquestionably an Elite of Elites as a QB, was Brady really elite in that Superbowl he won?
-in the NFCCG, he threw 3 interceptions.
-his completion % in the playoffs were 55, 55, 56 and 72% in the Superbowl
-threw for less than 200 net yards in the Superbowl
The real hero of that SB IMHO was Tampa Bay's defense, which picked Mahomes twice, forced a fumble (they didn't recover), held tight coverage, and harried, harrassed, and bothered Mahomes all day long. The QB we saw for Tampa wasn't quite "the ghost of Tom Brady" but you could see his ghost from there.
Similar with Stafford. Stafford had a 12 year career on a bad team where he was often way up the leaderboard for passing yards, but was regarded as a great passer who would make key gaffs at bad times. He didn't have a history of probowls or NFL MVPs. 1 PB I think. And indeed, in his Superbowl year with the Rams, he led the league with 17 interceptions. In the Superbowl, he threw 2 INTs and had kind of a "meh" passer rating of 89.9. Burrow was 100.9. The Rams defense sacked Burrow 7 times and hit him 11 times, such that even though Burrow had statistically a much better day and Higgins and Chase both "went off", they couldn't sustain enough drives. I kind of see that Rams win as in part overcoming Stafford's gaffs instead of led by elite QB play from Stafford.
Just my opinion.
But doesn't this just illustrate that even the elite QB's can have bad games? Remember Mahomes stunk up the joint against NE in an AFC title game before having a brilliant 2nd half.
There is more to the advantage an elite QB gives a team going to and winning a Super Bowl then their play. There is an aura of confidence they bestow on the whole team that is difficult to quantify but IMO very real.
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Eight of the last 9 Super Bowl winning teams have been led by elite QB's including the last 5 in a row (Brady, Stafford & Mahomes). So things seem to have changed.
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14 minutes ago, VW82 said:
Josh didn't even make it as an alternate for the probowl. MVP talk has been ridiculous for a while now. His stats have overrated his overall play this season imo. Too many close games lost where he just didn't have it for long stretches.
So you're blaming Allen for the D blowing three games where the Bills had the lead with less then 2 m9nutes to go?
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2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:
The problem is in Tennessee he is the primary focus of the passing game. In Buffalo he's likely 2nd or maybe even 3rd in the pecking order. Would he be better than our 3rd option. Is now? Sure but as you elude at the expense of Floyd. To me it's not worth it.
Given his production in TN and the "quality" of QB's throwing to him D Hop would clearly be the #2 guy in Buffalo. In fact he would be the 1B guy. And his presence would draw coverage away from Diggs.
The Bills made a choice and they went with defense. And you can argue that from a defensive standpoint it was the right choice. But therein lies the problem, the best teams with the best chances of making and winning a SB are all focusing on their offense. Even Baltimore with it's great D spent the off season focusing on the O and helping Jackson out.
7 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:I wonder if there was back-and-forth between Daboll and McD (or McD and Beane) on how best to develop Allen. It does seem odd that Peterman only lasted a half-game before being replaced by Allen. Maybe Daboll or Beane convinced McD - against his better judgment - to start Peterman and develop Allen slowly. But watching Peterman's dismal play destroyed McD's patience. It's hard to know.
I would love to know the answer to this question.
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Just now, BullBuchanan said:
HE'S LITERALLY TURNED AROUND AND A YARD AND A HALF CLOSER TO THE DB.
Can't make this stuff up.Kincaid is tracking the ball while the DB, who is likely faster, is desperately chasing him to catch up. What else would you expect? That throw was perfect and the play gained what it was supposed to. Again watch the throw and catch in real time and there is not an appreciable slow down by Kincaid. Had Allen thrown that pass further there would have been a good chance it would have been over thrown or Kinciad in racing to catch up to it would have gone to the turf laying out for the ball.
There are passes that Allen misses that warrant criticism like the deep ball to Diggs. But throwing shade at Allen over the pass to Kincaid is an example of Allen Derangement Syndrome.
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9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Clearly not. Kincaid had his man beat by several steps and he had to slow down to catch the ball allowing the DB to catch up. It wasn't a massive underthrow, but it definitely was just enough to prevent the TD.
Kincaid open by several steps
Kincaid has to slow down and turn his body for the ball
Kincaid makes the catch within tackle distance of the DB
I appreciate the desire to argue everything I say is wrong, but I'm not even going to entertain it here. If you can't see the difference in what happened vs what wouldve happened if the ball had an arc to to 30 yard line instead of the 33, that's on you.see above.
It is unreasonable to claim that Allen under threw Kincaid on that play. The ball was perfectly thrown and your freeze frame pictures do not change that. Watch the throw in real time and see just how smooth it is.
As an aside in picture #1 Kincaid is open at the 41 yard line (near the hash) and the clock reads 13:41. The 2nd & 3rd pictures show Kincaid catching the ball in stride at the 34 yard line about a yard further from the hash and the clock reads 13:40. That's about 8 yards traveled in less then a second. Hardly slowing down.
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13 hours ago, uticaclub said:
I couldn't agree more. We were in a tough spot with the salary cap, but there was no help for Allen at the start of the season.
Who thought it was a good idea to bring in Harty & Sherfield?
Good question. My guess is that McD/Bean were hoping to replicate the success they had bringing in Brown & Beasley in 2019. Obviously they missed.
I don't know if we could have signed D Hopp with our CAP restrictions. My guess is that if we signed D Hop we wouldn't have been able to sign Floyd and Floyd has been a difference maker on the D. But these are the tough choices that a GM/Coach must make and an offensive minded coach would have signed D Hop and the defensive minded coach Floyd. The Bengals let two very good safeties go in order to put more FA money into their O line. That's how an offensive minded coach with an elite QB thinks.
For the record, and given the performance of both Floyd & D Hop (68 catches for 1011 yrds & 6 TD's) Hopkins would have been the better signing. Can you imagine his numbers with Allen throwing the ball and not the collection of misfits in TN?
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6 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:
Might be a lot of reasons to get rid of or keep McD, playing Peterman for a horrible half 5 years ago isn't one of them. (& Beane squires players he doesn't do cuts or name starters that's the coaches so way off base to put this on him then or now). It's an odd time to raise this complaint so far removed & w/ a huge game coming up this Sunday. Let's get through this season 1st then we can discuss firing the coach. & Nathan Peterman will not be high on his list of faults (unlike 13 seconds).
I agree with you if this was a stand alone event. But the mishandling of Allen's rookie year and the surreal trust in Peterman speak to a bigger problem with McD and offense in general and QB's in particular. Again, my main reason for wanting to move on from McD is that when a franchise has an elite, generational talent at QB you will better exploit this good fortune with an offensive minded coach who surrounds that QB with the best possible offensive talent.
For the record I would love to be proven wrong here as I don't see McD being replaced anytime soon. But all the evidence I see in today's NFL supports my concerns of McD.
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7 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:
I remember we started Dennis Shaw the year we drafted him and put him behind a crap OL. Shaw never developed into the QB we hoped he would be and lasted three years as a starter before finishing his sad career as a backup. Some said we ruined his poise and confidence his rookie year and he never got it back.
I don't think starting Peterman was about Peterman at all. I think it was about either McDermott's and/or Daboll's philosophy on how to effectively develop a young, talented - but raw - Josh Allen. I think they wanted Allen to spend more time with the coaches on the practice field and in the film room before they lined him up under center under the bright lights of game day.
That's fair but in the end Allen was thrown to the wolves in week 2 without having taken very many 1st team reps in training camp and the preseason. Even worse he was thrown into the fire with an offense that had been dismantled by management in the off season. The reality is that McD & Bean's best laid plans went up in smoke when Peterman could not generate a single 1st down after NINE straight possessions.
The fact remains that a complete misjudgment by McD & Bean about Peterman AND MaCaran ruined any chance that their reasonable plan for Allen would work. And for some of us this can be directly attributed to the fact that the Bills management & coaching embraces a defense first philosophy.
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1 hour ago, Donuts and Doritos said:
At this point who cares.
Asking about Peterman is like asking why the Bills drafted a TE Tony Hunter with their first 1st round pick instead of Jim Kelly, who they took with their second pick. Who cares, it worked out.
I disagree. Looking at how McD & Bean handled Allen his rookie year is an insight into how the Bills have handled him and the offense over the last 6 seasons. My and other peoples arguments about why we need to move on from McD have been twofold:
* As a defensive coach McD will commit more resources to the defense then to the offense. And he will always be more comfortable with defensive players and schemes then offensive players and schemes starting with the QB.
* Both Bean & McD are much less effective at judging offensive talent then they are defensive talent.
I truly hope I'm wrong and McD/Bean can find a resolution to this quandary. But until we make a Super Bowl with the current coaching/management group I remain skeptical. The idea that teams with elite caliber QB's should have offense minded coaching is compelling to me.
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3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
If fans know not to trust preseason game results shouldn't coaches be expected to also know this? The only consistency we ever saw out of Peterman in actual NFL games was his amazing ability to set NFL records for sucking. Who can forget his two pick sixes in only two games, after Allen went down with an injury in 2018. That McD & Bean thought Peterman could play is a major mystery to me.
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3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:
Maybe because they rather Peterman get killed facing teams like NE and allow Josh to learn and grow for that year. They probably knew the O was not good enough for Allen to learn anything under center.
Bean & McD deliberately blew the offense up that season. The problem and it's one of the reasons I'm not thrilled abut McD or Bean is they completely misread the value of McCarron and Peterman. After Peterman set another impressive NFL record in QB futility, NINE straight possessions without a 1st down, to go along with his 5 INT first half performance the previous season. the Bills ad no choice but to throw Allen to the lions. Can you imagine the fans reaction had Peterman been put on the field against Sand Diego in week 2? As it was Allen's first 3 games were against three of the best D's in football at that time: the Chargers at home and the Vikings & Packers on the road.
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3 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:
In 2018, we drafted Josh Allen. He was a project QB, with a lot of potential, but also a lot of work. We were told that we would see little to no Josh that season, because he would be riding the bench and learning his first year.
I still don't understand, five years later, why Peterman was the guy he was to learn behind. Let's even forget the now legendary 5 INT game. Let's give the benefit of the doubt that Peterman truly did majorly improve to be relatively serviceable, he was still just barely a rookie himself with almost no playing time.
Why was McDermott and/or Beane so adamant about this kid? Wouldn't the best bet have been to get a Fitzpatrick-esque guy. An experienced veteran, who might not light up the leauge, but would win some games for you, and most importantly play an important mentor role in Josh's development. Seems to have worked for Tua.
Because instead, Peterman sucked, as we all thought, and Josh got thrown to the wolves his rookie year. Obviously it worked out, but it very well may not have.
The reality is that McD & Bean screwed up Allen's rookie year about as badly as you could. Allen himself and DaBall are responsible for his surviving and towards the end even thriving.
1 hour ago, uticaclub said:Huge mistake by McDermott & Beane. If they didn't sign Derek Anderson & Matt Barkley mid-season, we wouldn't have had any fire McDermott threats in 2023 because he would have been long gone & Allen would have busted.
Agree 100%. Bean & McD completely screwed up the plans for Allen in 2018. To their credit they shook the cobwebs off and fired those two horrible WR's (Bengiman & Holmes) and brought in veteran help for Allen. But the credit for Allen not busting goes to DaBoll and Allen himself.
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4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
We have those plays every week. We had at least 3 of them against the pats and zero TDs resulted. Kincaid was wide open and if Allen hits him in stride he's gone. Instead, he has to slow down so it's just a big gainer. On a throw to the left side of the field he had a wide open Shakiir on the right and he had Diggs wide open for a score down the field and missed him completely.
Guys like Rodgers, Brady, manning, Brees would never miss those passes in their prime. You don't get many of them and it's imperative you hit them, because they change the game.Allen hit him perfectly in stride what the hell are you talking about?
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10 hours ago, Charles Romes said:
He did pretty good that New England playoff game
He also did great in that Indy playoff game to.
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5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
I agree about the playoffs. But we have become so blind by the stats. I’d rather have Allen have Jackson’s year and limit his turnovers, which could have lead to more wins. I also know those risks make Allen great but it’s not honest to think they haven’t hurt us too.
I would rather have Allen's proven track record in the playoffs then his having Jackson's TO's this season. BTW Jackson turned over the ball 13 times this season. Less then Allen but not insignificant. I would also rather have Allen's durability as Jackson in back to back seasons suffered season ending injuries which negatively impacted how those seasons turned out.
And I agree that fewer TO's by Allen would have led to more Bills wins. But also stopping two very bad offenses, NE & Denver, from going down the field in the last 2 minutes of the game to beat the Bills after Allen had secured the lead kept us from being 12 - 4 and chasing he Ravens for the #1 seed.
1 hour ago, balln said:I’m thinking. Eye test wise. This has been his WORST season as a pro besides rookie year. He is so jittery , uncomfortable and has been the most inaccurate I can remember. Deep , intermediate and short. All year.
Well your memory appears to be flawed if you think Allen is worse this year then he was in 2019.
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2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
The Ravens defense has blown leads in all of their losses, including 2 double digit ones.
That's true but Jackson's late game pick six against the Browns didn't help ether.
I think Jackson will win this years MVP but there will be a lot of other guys getting a decent amount of votes. For the record Jackson's challenge isn't winning a 2nd MVP but playing well and winning some playoff games. In Jackson's 4 playoff games to date (1 - 3 record) he has not been exceptional in any one of them and he's been bad in 3 of them.
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28 minutes ago, Dopey said:
😂😂😂
My post made all the sense in the world. No one brings up the game Josh lost. Why? I put the blame on coaching for the “12 men” penalty. Shouldn’t be hard to acknowledge Josh lost that game. He’s not on the mob’s list as a whipping boy. Guess what? Even with that loss, we’re one win away from a 4th straight AFCE title. Nice coaching job to overcome that huge loss. Doesn’t matter that it was the first game of the season. It’s biting us in the ass right now, as much as the “12 men”. You can’t argue that. So you know the answer to your question.
Were you visiting Tibet after the Bills lost to the Jets? A lot of people brought up Allen's bad game. In fact it entered beating a dead horse territory with all the glee & gloating 2BD's resident Allen critics talked abut it.
30 minutes ago, Dopey said:😂😂😂
My post made all the sense in the world. No one brings up the game Josh lost. Why? I put the blame on coaching for the “12 men” penalty. Shouldn’t be hard to acknowledge Josh lost that game. He’s not on the mob’s list as a whipping boy. Guess what? Even with that loss, we’re one win away from a 4th straight AFCE title. Nice coaching job to overcome that huge loss. Doesn’t matter that it was the first game of the season. It’s biting us in the ass right now, as much as the “12 men”. You can’t argue that. So you know the answer to your question.
Again, if it's Allen's fault and not the coaching then are you arguing that the Bills should move on from Allen if we miss the playoffs this year?
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8 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:
Agree. Those bubble screens are definitely not Josh’s strong suit. He has been wildly inaccurate on a ton of those this year throwing numerous passes into the dirt
"Widely inaccurate" and "throwing numerous passes into the dirt"? I call BS on that observation. In fact the only throws into the turf that I can recall were deliberately put there by Allen to avoid getting the WR blown up and losing 5 yards on the completion.
1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:I'll say this about McD and Allen, I do not envy their situations and the pressure they will be facing if this does in fact end up being a 'win and in' game for the #2 seed/division or lose and miss the playoffs altogether scenario.
Forget about wide right, music city miracle, 13 seconds, etc....this would be the new show stopper in Buffalo sports history for the season to end in that fashion especially against a hated division rival.
With that said, there's zero excuse for this offense to not be ready and/or struggle against Miami's defense considering their current situation but this team never fails to find new lows to sink too unfortunately...
I am forever thankful that 2BD offers that wonderful vomit emoji to confer on crap like the above post. Tell me again why you put your thoughts on 2BD? Is it really that big of a turn on to troll other fan bases?
Bills receivers are not getting open, but Allen finds them when they do
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I agree and I'm not saying you are doing the nitpicking. But even a casual read of these threads can see that there are some Bills fans who nitpick Allen to death.