CincyBillsFan

Funny this topic came up. Driving around town today and listening to the NFL station on Sirius radio the guys doing the show were BOTH saying that after studying Zack Wilson film over the last week they were willing to put him ahead of Lawrence! I'm not ready to go there as it seems like sacrilege to question TL. But I'm seeing more of the so called "experts" saying that Wilson is a lot closer to Lawrence then people think. It would explain why all of a sudden the Jets GM says he'll answer the phone if someone calls about acquiring Darnold. And in the same announcement he praises Darnold through the roof. If the Jets have come to the conclusion that Wilson is an outstanding, elite prospect then it makes more sense to take him in the draft then give up all those picks for Watson or try to get Darnold to work out. In the last two national championship games.

Great effort, thanks for doing this. For my part I would keep Morse as he's a steady eddy vet presence on the line and doesn't cost that much. But your scenario certainly works. Collins from Michigan is interesting. He was a solid WR who didn't benefit from very good QB play in 2019. I'm hoping for more at RB and TE though Sweeney is a definite dark horse and Knox played well down the stretch. It would be HUGE if Knox & Sweeney really stepped it up next season. And there is a good possibility that they just might.

File this under images I'll never be able to erase from my memory - thanks a lot!

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Well that was a surprise. I wish him best of luck in Phoenix. IMO 31 million with 23 million guaranteed is to much so while I'm disappointed that the Bills didn't get him I would have been nervous if we did get him at that price.

My guess is we would see more foreign games? Maybe Toronto will want to welcome back the Bills! Of course knowing how much the league likes the Bill's we would probably face Cleveland in the first game ever played in Kabul!

This is a great insight. He's like a kid who grew up with parents who wouldn't let him eat junk food and then he goes off to college and discovers the Taco stand & doughnut shop right next door! Like you said he's earned the right to be flirtatious. I wish him luck wherever he goes,

To be clear I said that Watson MIGHT turn into the AFC's version of Stafford if he was traded to Miami or the Jets. You need to get that right to understand my point. And it's NOT flip flopping to point out that you judge a QB based on MULTIPLE factors including stats, leadership, toughness & wins. Again you seem to have failed to grasp that my point was that a QB should be judged by more then just the stats and that intangibles play a big part in the assessment. But can we at least agree that Watson has been fortunate to play on a very good football team through his first 3 seasons? Last year was the first time the team around him sucked. At least that's what your the records you posted above seem to say.

Fair enough. That's a reasonable opinion. And I agree that Rogers could have won a SB with this years Tampa team but I don't agree that Watson would have. So far Watson's playoff record and performances don't indicate to me that he could have carried the Buc's through 4 straight playoff games. In fact if we're going to be talking hypothetical situations I think Allen would have been more likley to lead this years Tampa team to a SB then Watson would have.

Of course they did. But do you believe that Tampa wins a playoff game without Brady? Do you think they win THREE playoff games just to get to the Super Bowl without Brady? I just don't agree with those posters that appear to be suggesting that you assess QB's based solely on their stats. In no other position in all of sports do the intangibles matter as much as they do with QB in football. Brady was the reason the Bucs won the Super Bowl and his passing skills were only a part of it.

Stafford threw for 5038 yards and 41 TD's in only his THIRD season. So I don't think I'm reaching one bit.

It is! Could have fooled me. In 12 seasons Stafford has thrown for 45,109 yards; 282 TD's & 144 INT's. In 8/12 of Stafford's seasons he has thrown for over 4,000 yards. That's 2/3 of his career. Watson has thrown for over 4,000 yards in half of his seasons (2/4). And when you look at their best seasons so far Stafford holds up well against Watson. A couple of great Stafford seasons: 2017 = 4446 yards; 29 TD's & 10 INT's and in 2011 = 5038 yards; 41 TD's & 16 INT's. Watson's two best seasons: 2018 = 4165 yards; 26 TD's & 9 INT's and in 2020 = 4823 yards; 33 TD's & 7 INT's So yea, they do belong in the same discussion.

I feel like it's ground hog day. When posters claim Watson had a better statistical year then Allen did in 2020 and I point out that Watson faced a lot more prevent defense which impacted the numbers big time I'm accused of "trashing" Watson. I suspect I'll be called a Watson hater for pointing out that the difference in chronological age is far less important then the FACT that Watson has an extra season of NFL experience. And to double down on my supposed disrespect of Watson is it okay for me to point out that he played for an elite college football program? That Watson had a huge advantage over Allen from this? So claiming Watson is more consistent then Allen is disingenuous. As for Brady, hey I hate him as much as the next Bills fan but he is the reason that Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl this year. That alone makes him a better QB then Watson IMO. And for someone who claims to be a huge Allen fan you sure do pour a lot of passion into defending and talking up Watson. So who would you rather have - Watson or Allen? In fact the last time I saw this much passion over a QB on 2BD was after Allen was drafted and folks couldn't stop telling us all how much Allen sucked and how bad a pick it was. There's more to a QB then stats. IMO Watson did not put up a top 5 season as a QB. Sure his stats were top 5 but by that criteria QB's like Stafford would be considered elite. Watson is a very good QB and if the Bills didn't have Allen I would be clamoring for Bean to make a move for him. But IMO Allen is better and has entered the realm of elite QBing.

Funny how back in Allen's rookie year when we pointed out all the dropped passes and missed blocks we were called excuse makers. When we said Allen played on a terrible offense we were told to quit making excuses. We were told if Allen was truly a great QB he would overcome those things. Now all I see are excuses for Watson. Yes Watson is a very good QB. No, IMO he's not a top 5 QB but a top 10 QB.

I disagree. IMO Allen is better then Watson now and that gap will only widen next season. IMO I also consider Rogers, Brady & Wilson to be clearly better then Watson. And I'm curious as to what you would say is Watson's "proven" track record? He's clearly been a very good QB on a decent team during his first 3 seasons but beyond that what has he actually proven?

As long as it wasn't a distraction sure that would be fine. My point was that the best outcome would be for the Bills tom get the deal done this off season.

But Watson was missing Hopkins last season which was huge. And sorry but IMO the 2019 Texans were a much better team then the 2020 Dolphins. Looking back over last season I can't think of a single Bills win that was "lucky". Maybe the first Pats game? I can think of a Bills loss that was pretty damn unlucky though. If you want an example of a lucky Miami win check out the box score for the Dolphins/Rams game. As I posted elsewhere if I was a Dolphins fan that season ending loss to Buffalo would set off alarm bells. To get blown out with a playoff spot on the line and the Bills resting a whole bunch of players would tell me the Miami roster isn't as good as that 10 - 6 record suggests. The Fish could add Watson and he could play well but with a few different bounces of the ball the Dolphins still go 10 - 6. IMO the only place in the AFC East Watson could go that would worry the hell out of me would be NE. And that ain't happening (I hope).

First I came from this with Watson as a top 10, not a top 5 QB. I know opinions differ on this but that's where I am on it. Second, if the cost of acquiring Watson is to high it definitely could be bad for Miami or the Jets. In the case of Miami IF Tua can develop into a decent QB the Dolphins can use the CAP savings and all those draft choices to upgrade their roster at critical positions. If I was a Dolphins fan that season ending loss to Buffalo, with a playoff spot on the line and the Bill's resting a lot of players, would worry me that the Miami roster is not as good as that 10 - 6 record suggested. In the case of the Jets, you're looking at a couple of years to rebuild. Not sure Watson helps you much running for his life throwing the ball to practice squad level skill players. It's a recipe for Watson becoming the AFC's version of Mathew Stafford - gaudy stats and losing record. IMO the best path forward for the Jets is to take a long term approach. Give Darnold 2 more years under a rookie contract while you build the team around him with all that CAP space & draft choices.

This might actually be the best thing for the Bills. I agree that if Watson ends up in NE it's bad news. But the odds of this happening are close to zero. So realistically we're talking about the Jets & Dolphins: * If he ends up with the Jets it's good news as they'll need to give away the farm and their first born son to get him. When surrounded by crap Watson has already shown us he can win 4 games. Well the crap that is the NY Jets is a much bigger pile then Houston. IMO Watson to the Jets is bad for Watson and very bad for the Jets. The Jets have a lot of holes to fill. * If he ends up at Miami I think you would have some of the same issues as you do with the Jets. Sure Miami is better but how real was their 10 - 6 record? They got a lot of breaks to eek out some of those wins. In that last game the Dolphins looked to me like they need a lot of help. I could see Watson going to Miami, playing well and the Dolphins still only winning 9 or 10 games. They're not going to get multiple special teams and defensive TD's every season.

First off I don't think they will trade Watson. My response was that in the event they had no choice landing CMC and 2 first round picks would be excellent. As for CMC how quickly we forget his 2019 season. He is one of only 2 RB's IMO who can carry a team on his back with the other being Henry. In the modern era of football where super talented QB's throw the ball all over the field and desperate D-coordinators try to take away the intermediate & deep ball by allowing the check down pass, CMC could be a game changing player. CMC has never played with a great QB who was a real threat to push the ball down the field. Yet even with defensive coordinators knowing that CMC was the Panthers only viable offensive threat in 2019 he had over 100 catches WHILE rushing for well over 1,000 yards. If you put CMC in the hands of a truly creative offensive coordinator who is operating a robust passing attack he would be close to unstoppable. This is why if there is even the remotest chance the Bills could get CMC they should do it even if meant not signing another free agent. Like Thurman Thomas was the key ingredient to the Bills glory years CMC, Allen & Diggs would be an unstoppable trio who would put the Bills into multiple Super Bowls.

Bingo. It seems that if we say Allen is better then Watson and that Allen is a top 5 QB while Watson is a top 10 QB that somehow we are trashing Watson. I don't get it. Then when we point out why we think Watson is say the 6th or 7th best QB compared to Allen as the 2nd or 3rd best QB they claim we're trashing Watson! I just don't get the passion that these Bills fans have in defending Watson. Like you point out GoBills808, it's not like we're saying Watson sucks. If the Bills still had Tyrod at QB and Allen was playing for the Jets I would be all over Bean doing whatever it took to get Watson.

And CMC would provide Texan fans with a superstar in exchange for a superstar. It would be a clear sign they aren't tanking. IMO IF the Texans have to trade Watson their best deal is shipping him off to the NFC for CMC and 2 Panther 1st round picks.

We don't need to see anymore from Allen. Those stats that LOVEMESOMEBILLS posted are amazing. If as you suggest we were to wait until halfway through next season Bean would be courting disaster. Let's say Allen tears it up, which is the most likley outcome, all the leverage flows to him. Hell a pissed off Allen might tell Bean to wait until after the season to talk a new contract. The last thing we want to do is follow in the footsteps of Dallas and Zack Prescott. Get the deal done in August. And let's not forget his 2 TD receptions!

As long as the deal is done BEFORE the season starts all is good.