CincyBillsFan

Actually I think NE had a lot to play for yesterday. They wanted to Keep their coach and were fighting to save his job. Maye's comments after the game were very revealing along those lines. Kind of like what we saw out of Dallas later that night - a much more inspired effort then anyone thought was possible. Beating the Bills in Buffalo when they're the talk of the league would have gone a long way towards saving Mayo's job. In contrast I'm not convinced that the Jet's will have a similar motivation to save their interim coach and Aaron Rogers jobs. I suspect we'll see a game from the Jets more like the one we all expected but didn't get from the Pats.

I thought Maye was very impressive and IMO the Pats will be the Bills biggest challenge in the AFC East over the next 5 years.

Cooper drew Gonzallas (sp) who may be the best CB not on most peoples radar.

Lets wait until the end of the season. I mean the Bills still have a decent chance to get to and win a Super Bowl. As an aside, McD does seem to be in the process of changing his coaching philosophy. His challenge in making the necessary changes is not to throw the baby away with the bath water.

According to Stat Muse and ESPN Allen has only lost TWO fumbles giving him a total of 8 TO's. While Jackson is aggressive and puts the ball in danger to make big plays Herbert is way to conservative and I pay little attention to the value of his having only 5 TO's. The Chargers have lost 6 games this season and Herbert has lost the only playoff game he was in. IMO he is more concerned about throwing INT's then winning football games.

I also think the NE players were playing hard for their coach. Mayes comments after the game indicated that this is a sore sot for the players and they gave it their best effort. I doubt we see the same level of intensity from the Jets in support of their interim coach and Rogers.

And only having 8 TO's for as many times as Allen puts the ball in play is flat out extraordinary. It's the #1 reason the Bills are 12 -3 and close to locking up at minimum a #2 seed.

If the Steelers & Ravens both lose Wednesday the Bills clinch a 2nd seed no matter what happens against the Jets & Pats.

Yes it has and even the most hardcore Chief hater on 2BD has to grudgingly admit that at 14 - 1 it has worked for them. Style points in the regular season are not that important - seeding and staying healthy are far more critical.

It may be time for McD to reexamine his defensive strategy. I get what he's trying to do - force teams into 3rd down and then get off the field with a stop. But all to often early in the game this is not happening. Maybe it would be better to take more risks on D which should lead to more negative plays and TO's and big TD plays being scored on the Bills. The net result will be the O getting more possessions and putting more pressure on the opponents D. The fact remains though that what the Bills let NE do on offense early is what almost cost us this game and cost us the playoff game against the Bengal's. IMO this is the worst thing the D can do as it gives up TD's while the O stews on the sidelines.

While the O wasn't sharp the big problem yesterday was the D's performance in the first half. Those two long time consuming drives by the Pats never should have happened AT HOME. The reality is that the Pats had almost 250 yards and over 20 minutes of TOP in the first half. This robbed the O of at least 2 and probably 3 possessions. Sure the offense was sluggish but that was to be expected after 8 straight games of scoring 30 or more points.

How many games do you think there are left in the season?

As well as again demonstrating that stats aren't the only metric for this award. Allen this season was expected to struggle mightily as he lost his starting center and all but one WR. MVP is stands for Most Valuable Player, not who has the best stats. Allen has been the most valuable player by almost every subjective measure. To be honest, part of me wants Allen to be average against the Jets as the Bills methodically beat them to go 13 - 3 and lock up the #2 seed, then only play a half against NE and Jackson wins the MVP as he puts up big numbers the next couple of weeks with teams keying on King Henry and Jackson throwing TD's to wide open TE's. Then in the playoffs Allen goes on a tear and the Bills win the SB while Jackson flounders. Maybe that will once and for all bury this stupid award voted on by nincompoops.

You might be right here but I don't think you are. As long as Allen doesn't throw 3 picks and the Bills lose the Jets game the MVP is locked up. But who knows, MVP voters are probably less competent and reliable then NFL refs.

A RB in King Henry who is likely to finish with a top 25 rushing season of all time. Remember, when he played with TN opposing teams game planned to stop Henry. BTW, this season Henry has already clinched his 2nd best rushing totals in his career.

Yes you can make the "argument" but you could have made a better argument for Allen winning it last season. The only thing Jackson did better last season IMO is lead his team to a better record then the Bills. If the Bills finish ahead of the Ravens this season that should be the deriding thing for giving Allen the MVP.

As a Bills fan there is no way I'm voting Jackson over Allen. As for Allen potentially "struggling" against "two bottom feeders" and Jackson shining against "two playoff teams" I would remind you that Allen is 2 - 0 against the top team in each conference. The Chiefs & Lions are 27 - 1 against teams not quarterbacked by Allen. And if those wins are considered a "distant memory" for determining the REGULAR SEASON MVP then the award is a pile of bull feces and not worth getting. After all, Jackson has played like crap in the playoffs after each of his last two MVP seasons.

Unless Baltimore loses on Christmas day we would still NEED to beat the Jets to lock up the 2nd seed. I would go all out against the Jets, lock down the 2nd seed and use the last game as a rest & recover preseason contest. Otherwise we might have to go to Baltimore in round 2 of the playoffs which would be a lot worse then playing them at home.

If this game was an example of a team in malaise then the chiefs have been in a season long great depression. Games like yesterday happen all the time in the NFL to even the best teams.

Agree 100%. What was new today IMO was that as poorly as they played we won the game. Think last years NE game or the 2022 Jets game or the infamous Jacksonville game where a crappy performance resulted in heartbreaking and completely inexplicable losses. This like much of what we're seeing this season is something different and in a good way.

Interesting you say this - I noticed a broadcast shot where Allen was showing a guy on the sideline his pinky finger area. He was pointing at it vigorously and then was squeezing his hand a couple of times. Did anyone else notice this?

It is odd but I think there is an impression that this is true about McD because of how some of the games start. Think about falling behind Arizona 17 - 3 in the 2nd quarter and Tennessee 10 - 0 in the 2nd quarter. We went on to blow the Titans out 34 -10 though.

IMO this is the only reason not to play Allen extensively against the Jets. The difference between playing the divisional round in Baltimore or Pittsburgh versus Buffalo is to big not to go all out to win next Sunday. Now if your scenario happens, Allen would still likely play in the first quarter just to keep his consecutive starts streak going. He could throw a couple of quick short passes and hand the ball off then hit the bench.

I suspect that she was fast tracked, but I don't know for sure. Fast tracking can be a problem particularly in a profession where experience appears to be hugely important.

After the last 4 games this is quibbling. Allen like the rest of the team was a bit off today. It happens. And for the record in the NFL BOTH those Shakir misses should have been caught. But Shakir appeared to be a bit flat like the rest of the team.