CincyBillsFan

And it's the kind of call that makes me thing Kurt Cousins isn't the Vikings problem.

Actually the story on Stafford is still being written in LA. And if Allen morphs into Stafford 2.0 it will be because the Bills have morphed into the Lions 2.0. You know like the decision by McD & Beane to ignore the O-line and RB in favor of having 11 Defensive Linemen. Now they get a pass for this year because they were taking a gamble which didn't pay off. S### happens. But if they keep making those types of decisions it will lead to us being the new Detroit Lions - a franchise with a great QB that can't win.

Is he now? By my reckoning Allen is being paid fair market value for a young elite QB. In fact in 5 years we'll all be marveling at what a bargain the Bills are getting with Allen. But hey, if you think his contract demands that he play flawlessly all the time then start a thread arguing that we trade Allen and his big contact because Allen isn't playing great every game. My guess is that if Bean lost his mind and put Allen up for sale about 25 teams would trample each other in the rush to be first in line to pay his big contract AND give us a whole bunch of 1st & 2nd round picks to boot. Of course this would be crazy and the Bills have ZERO intention of doing this but it seems this is what you guys are hinting at with your little jabs. BTW, I was listening to Cowherd today and he had Cosell on. This guy knows his stuff and when commenting on the Bills/Pats game he said something along the lines that Allen missed some throws but made a lot of great throws. He said that had Diggs caught that TD pass he and Cowherd would be having a very different conversation. He noted that the Bills had serious issues on the O-line and in the running game and the only way their offense works is if Allen plays great ALL THE TIME. He then pointed out that very few QB's in the history of the NFL can be expected to play great all the time.

You're not in the minority at all. The vast majority of Bills fans thought Allen played surprisingly well under the circumstances. There's just a vocal minority that seems to delight in taking every little perceived Allen failing and blowing it up way out of proportion.

If we had a bigger, more explosive back who hit the hole faster that's at least a 3 yard gain and it's 2nd & goal from the 3 which is a lot easier to deal with than from the 6. And if our bigger, stronger RB breaks a tackle it's a TD. And note all the Patriot eyeing Allen.

So Allen's play was a "huge reason" the Bills lost? Where would you rate it in comparison to: * Brieda's fumble? * Knox dropping two first down passes in Patriot territory? * Diggs dropping a TD pass? * A missed short FG? * The O-line's play? * A defense that allowed a 65 yard TD run on 3rd & 5? * RB's who didn't break tackles or hit the holes? * Coaching Allen wasn't perfect. I would give him a B+/A- considering the wind conditions. And sure if he had played at an A+ level and made that last throw we would have likely won the game. But IMO Allen wasn't in the top 10 reasons we lost that game.

I don't know about you but I,m 100% confident that if Allen SAW that no one was in front of him he would have run there. Again the expectations surrounding what Allen can and can't do under these circumstances are insane. He's not a Marvel Movie Super Hero.

I remember that play and Allen was nailed BY HIS OWN FREAKING GUY who somehow got blown back into him. To suggest he could get up and calmly determine in which direction he had "room" is simply wrong.

There is such a thing as "grounding". After Allen's blocker was driven into him, knocking him off his feet, he got back up off the ground faster then most QB's would have only to be almost immediately sacked by anther pass rusher. Are you seriously suggesting that upon getting up Allen should have just thrown the ball away? While between the tackles and into a wind storm that might have kept it from getting out of the back of the end zone? The expectations that some seem to have of Allen are surreal.

It's a lot less "weird & divisive" then starting a thread claiming Allen complains to much within a day of one of the Bills most frustrating losses. I'm not sure what you've been watching but most of the QB's complain. And who cares if they do? They're working the refs to try to get a call later.

Wow, another way to take a shot at Allen from the "wrong Josh" crowd. Good thing there aren't that many of them left on this board. But hey, given that Allen was by far the best Bills offensive player on the field Monday night they can't complain about his play without looking like fools. So instead we get this.

Because they came very close to losing the game. A couple of play action passes would have likely resulted in huge gains/TD's for the Pats and a comfortable win. They didn't throw the ball because on the one pass in the first half Jones did throw it was a wounded duck that required a highlight reel catch to gain 12 yards. The way the Pats were running the ball play action passes would have killed the Bills.

Really now. So after his 5th season you want to franchise Allen until he's an unrestricted free agent then have to pay him over $50,000,000 per year for ten years? Is that your plan?

Please, enough with the passive/aggressive trolling - it's boring. If the QB's were flipped last night how badly would the Bills have been beaten? 40 - 3? Imagine how effective play action passes would have been with Allen cutting through the wind over the top of our 11 in the box defense desperately trying to stop the run.

Correct. Most teams with average RB's can gain 3 yards on 1st and goal from the 6 making it a very doable 2nd and goal from the 3 yard line. And teams with good RB's see their guy bounce the play to the outside for a TD. On the last drive, a bad false start turned a 3rd & 9, which had QB run options to get us to 4th and short, into a 3rd & 14 obvious passing situation. I would also call out the pass breakup on the throw to Knox in the end zone on the 3rd & 14. Sure that wasn't a drop and the DB made a great play on the ball. But there are a lot of TE's in the NFL that would have muscled that ball away from a much smaller DB and scored a TD there. I see that play made multiple times every Sunday. And that was a great effort by Allen to escape the sack and put that ball on the money.

I would have agreed with you earlier in the season but the glaring issues at RB & O-line mean that we at best have a Top 10 roster.

Bingo. It was 4th down and Allen was almost immediately under heavy pressure. The DB made a smart play there. The throw folks wanted Allen to make to Beasley was low percentage because of the wind. The wind would have made it a much more difficult throw to accurately complete. If the DB doesn't fall off Beasley it's a TD to Davis.

Don't forget those two drops by Knox both of which would have given the Bills a 1st down in Patriot territory. And of course there was the Breida fumble on FIRST DOWN at the Pats 29 yard line.

Well building a run game is a lot cheaper. And imagine the Bils with a viable run threat last night AND with a QB who showed he could throw effectively in a gale. If Allen was a Patriot last night they beat us 34 - 7 as the play action pass would have resulted in multiple walk in TD's and Allen, unlike Jones, could have made the throws.

Look at it this way - on first and goal from the 6 you hand it off to Harris and now it's second and goal from the 2 or 3. Now you can take full advantage of Allen's run ability. Or how about all those 2nd & 3's that turn into 3rd and 2's after Moss or Singleterry gain a yard.

I'm disappointed that no one else on the offense stepped up to make a play when we were in the red zone. From a RB that didn't bump the run to the outside for a TD to a TE that should have out muscled the smaller DB and caught what was a fantastic throw by Allen, after he escaped a sack, for a TD. EVERY week I watch a lot of NFL games where RB's bounce that play outside to the end zone and where TE's win the ball in the end zone and score. And I haven't even mentioned that spectacular 50 yard throw in brutal wind conditions that went right through Diggs hands in the end zone. Our Franchise QB played like a franchise QB tonight. The issue was that no one else played at the top of their game.

Diggs dropped one TD. A spectacular 50 yard throw in brutal wind conditions. And Knox was not able to out muscle a smaller DB in the end zone to score the game winning TD. I watch a lot of football and on almost every weekend I see multiple TE's win that catch on that exact same play. It's expected that an NFL TE win the ball on that play. That's two fantastic throws that should have been TD's giving Allen 3 for the night.

The hand off looked clean. He just dropped it looking at the defense before securing the ball. On the first drive Knox drops an easy first down pass that puts the ball inside the Pats 40 yard line. On the 2nd possession after getting a first down at the Pats 29 yard line Breida fumbled the ball away. We could have been up 14 - 0 after those two possessions with the wind at our back.

What a strange take. Did you even watch the game? Had Knox & Diggs held onto 3 very catchable balls (and I'm not even talking about the last one by Knox in the end zone) we win this game by two scores. When you're going up against Belichic and NE the margin for error is very small and those three drops killed us.

A lot of that had to do with Knox dropping two passes in Pats territory when we had the wind in the 1st quarter killing both drives, And then on FIRST DOWN, Brieda loses a fumble without even being hit at the Pats 29 yard line. And in the 3rd quarter the defense struggled to get NE off the field and let the Pats burn up a lot of our wind time.