CincyBillsFan

The wind, cold and snow were the primary reasons that the passing game looked choppy the last 2 games. And when played in these conditions a passing game will almost always look out of sync and less then impressive.

Your points about running the clock when going into the wind are spot on. That's how the Bills did it back in the day. I would say that two dumb O-line penalties in the 3r quarter probably kept he Bills from scoring another 3 or 7 points going into the wind. The one by Bates was especially bad as it wiped out a McKenzie run that gave us a first down inside the Jet's 30 yard line and his low block had no impact on the actual play. As an aide I was watching the game with some younger Bills fans and they thought I was nuts obsessing over the clock when the Bills were going into the wind. I kept saying "run the clock don't throw the ball" and they just couldn't grasp the concept.

IMO that speaks more about the Packer's receivers then Rogers. When it's that cold and the wind is calm catching the ball is a bigger issue then throwing it.

Is he buying a snow making machine to?

Rather the focus on Allen who IMO is handling the wind better then any QB in Bills history McBean needs to identify a punter who can navigate these wind storms. With better punting yesterday the Jets don't score any points.

Judas Priest. It defies understanding how anyone who has attended a bad weather wind game in Rich Stadium would ever question how much those conditions will impact a passing game and a teams offensive efficiency. My only conclusion is that those who are claiming that the high winds and freezing cold are just an excuse for inconsistent offense play have never actually sat out in a game in those conditions. I call these people out as frauds.

Two of the three and outs were a direct result of major penalties on the offense line. At least one was the result of a dropped pass by Davis and all occurred going into the wind. And if the weather sucks for any home playoff games, I'm confident that mediocre statistics aside Allen will outplay the opposing QB by a wide margin.

I live in Cincinnati and the other reason the Pats should have preferred playing them is that Bengal defense is very inconsistent. It would not have given Jones the problems the Bills defense has given him this season.

As an aside and it hasn't generated much discussion but Allen pulled off a lateral to Knox for a first down yesterday. It was a great play reminiscent of that Texan playoff game. The fact is we have to get used to Allen superman plays. They will always be there and most will work. We just can't freak out when the occasional one backfires. Life is rarely about having our cake and eating it to.

By my count Allen finished the season 4th in total yards and 2nd in total TD's. And given the weather conditions in at least 5 games those are damn impressive numbers. Clearly Allen is an elite top 5 level QB in the NFL. And I don't see any evidence of a regression.

I know I'm beating a dead horse here but the weather DOMINATED the offenses yesterday. With the wind at their back the Bills put up 24 points in 2 quarters and gained most of their first downs and yardage (a very healthy 424 yards). Going into the wind the Bills sputtered LIKE EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL WOULD. When the Bills had the wind they made the most of it. That's how you win Rich Stadium wind games. The problem was that the Bills went into the wind in the 2nd & 3rd quarter which resulted in a magnified sense that the offense was floundering either due to play calling or player performance. Had we had the wind at our backs in the 1st & 3rd quarters we go into the 4th comfortably wining and the offense is deemed to have had a good game.

Urban Meyer is available!

I can. I must be older then you because I remember the wind games in Rich Stadium. The definition of a good game in those conditions is different then it is on a windless, dry field or in a dome. What I don't get is how you can't see that this was a good game by Allen. Not great, but good. * QB rating over 80 which is good, not great. * No TO's which is great. * Two TD passes and Allen almost had two more is good, not great. * 234 yards passing is good not great. Especially under the wind conditions. * 63 yards rushing is great. Especially since it was mostly in the 4th quarter to put the game away.

Don't care. That's how these games go. And for the record two of those punts in the 3rd quarter -into the wind - were caused primarily by bad offensive line penalties.

Of course Allen isn't immune from criticism but in wind conditions like we had at the stadium today he played well. I know it's hard for people to wrap their minds around this statement given that he missed some passes but when the gales are howling completing over half your passes for over 200 yards and 2 TD's is a good day at the office. Then throw in his big runs in the 4th quarter and he played well. If I had the energy and easy access to the data I would love to find out what the average QB rating is when the wind is howling and it's cold at Rich Stadium. I bet that Allen's stats are better then any other QB playing in that stadium under those conditions.

And your Allen hate is clear as day. Do you actually expect every pass to be perfect and on the money? Do you not see how the wind impacts these games? In the really bad weather games played at Rich Stadium has the opposing QB come close to matching Allen? Completing 55% of his passes for 234 yards and 2 TD's with no TO's in these weather conditions is like throwing for 70% completion percentage and 334 yards and 4 TD's.

And don't forget that in the 3r quarter and going into the wind we had two drives stall out because of offensive line penalties. The 2nd penalty on Bates took back a 10 yard McKenzie run that gave us a first down inside the Jets the 30yard line.

The wind and cold were huge factors. I've been checking out Bills home games back during the 1988 - 1993 run and there were a lot of games where Kelly, Reed & Thomas could not generate consistent offense under bad weather conditions. Bad weather compensates for talent differentials. Its always been that way in football. Allen "barely" hangs on to his game ball? He had over 300 yards of total offense, 2 TD's and no TO's. And he came up big when we needed it at the end of the first half and in the 4th quarter. And he just missed adding 2 more TD's to his total with two excellent passes to Diggs & Davis in the end zone that missed by inches.

Who cares? Jacksonville was beating the Colts 26 - 3 midway through the 4th quarter. This is the NFL not college football.

Allen had an excellent passing game today CONSIDERING THE WIND. Why Bills "fans" don't understand this is beyond me. And Allen came close to having 2 more TD passes on great throws to Davis & Diggs in the end zone that missed by inches. You are NOT going to see a QB go 30/40 for 350 yards and 4 TD's on days like this. During the Kelly/Bills run from 1988 - 1994 there were numerous bad weather games in Rich Stadium and the offense looked a lot worse then it did today. This is how these games look even if you have several HOF players on offense like we did back in day.

The Bills lack of YAC compared to other top teams is a huge disadvantage.

No matter how this game turns out if I owned the Bronco's Vangio and his staff would be gone tomorrow.

I don't want to hear about Allen's 3 picks two of which were tipped. Mahomes has thrown 2 easy picks only to see both INT's dropped. Meanwhile half of Allen's INT's are made by defensive players fully extending their body's and making finger tip catches 4 inches off the turf.

On the 4 TD drives Allen threw the ball very well converting a number of 3rd downs along the way. Ryan benefited from a lot of YAC. I'm to lazy to look it up but more then half of Ryan's passing yards had to be YAC.

Allen's play in bad weather reminds of the joke told about two hikers encountering a bear and as they take off running they realize that they don't have to out run the bear they only have to outrun the other guy. In bad weather games Allen only needs to outplay the other QB.