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Also wondering why Daboll does not have Josh changing up the cadence a bit more. Watch that clip and count how many times it is "READY... hut, hut". It does not help your o-line when pass rushers can easily jump the snap and tee-off on your QB because the cadence rarely ever changes.

Fair enough and I agree he is probably over thinking things at this point and a faster tempo could be a good way to counter that. I don't know if I have ever seen a QB whose every throw has come under as much scrutiny as Allen - he has that lightening rod effect of polarizing opinions. He is going to have to figure out the balance between accepting there are things he genuinely needs to work on without losing sight that there are some pretty amazing aspects to his game. Also glad to see OBD trying to develop some consistency in the QB room and not trying to dissuade Allen for continuing to work with Jordan Palmer. Too many voices trying to help Allen correct his mechanics would likely just lead to even more of the over thinking you mention.

I admit, I am bored waiting for training camp, the preseason, and opening kickoff to get here so going waaay out of my way to address this guy's lack of depth on his evaluations particularly his summary comment about the types of plays called towards season's end. If you look at the last game against Miami objectively you will see a good sample of everything good and everything bad about Josh's game and the team around him, but saying the Bills did away with short throws is just lazy. I have no idea where he gets "the offense did not rely on short throws at all". What you see is the direct opposite and the focus of plays trending in that direction under Daboll to grow Allen's game: Summary: Allen needs to work on his accuracy - particularly when he sets and throws. He tends to set his base in poor position relying solely on his arm to lead receivers which leads to overthrows and under throws, whereas he has pretty good to very good accuracy when throwing off platform on the move. I believe Josh will have more time this year, and that may have the opposite effect than what we all expect in regards to his accuracy early on. I say this now as a cautionary thing for us fans, as I think having time to throw from a clean pocket will force Allen to have to correct his issues building a proper throwing base and many of the passes where he is inaccurate seem to be when he has the time in the pocket and is not on the move. Allen's throws at the beginning of games or half time tend to sail on him. Daboll may want to consider calling more runs in those situations to allow Allen to get into a rhythm and tamp down the competitive adrenaline. He also needs to understand game situations better - there is no need to force the ball into double coverage when you are deep in your own zone , facing a 2nd and long situation, and there is only 40+ seconds left in the half - led to a Miami pick 6. Allen has some ridiculously long runs - the 30 and 40 yard variety that just boggle the mind, but we know that QB's that rely mostly on running the ball cannot sustain that productivity year after year so they have to become better pocket passers or they fail. This is a huge maturation year for Allen in regards to becoming a better pocket passer. I do not propose removing the valid threat that Allen's scrambling creates, but rather reeling them back a bit by teaching him to head for the sidelines and to slide more. At this point in his development you just have to ask yourself, can Allen work to close the gap and become a more consistent passer? One either believes that or they don't, but he has never had the luxury of having a good offensive line so he has to build up some better habits when throwing from the pocket. He has rarely had the luxury to develop that aspect of his game - IMO at this stage patience is needed as no one really knows what Allen's ceiling actually is when it comes to learning to throw from a clean pocket - we will all find out over time. Either way, Daboll mostly called short to intermediate routes throughout the game, but when Miami subbed a bunch of guys in the secondary it just made sense to leverage a few deep throws near the end to seal the win. The author does touch upon the truth about Allen's struggles building a proper throwing base, but there is nothing at all in the game film that suggest the author was right in his assessment about the Bills and Daboll having thrown up their hands and given up on shorter routes - that was pure conjecture and shoddy journalism. Perhaps we should thank the talking heads for being so terrible they give us something to talk about during the dead times between seasons.

Somewhat agree, but employment is not fair. Players (especially undrafted FA's) have to be smarter when it comes to staying out of the headlines for stupid crap like this. Proven vets get more leeway, but even they have only so many strikes at bat.

He is entitled to his day in court if charges are not dropped. Due process is a legal thing, does not really fall under the same area as code of conduct policies that govern who employers can or cannot let go and for what reasons. If there is enough "smoke" the Bills do not have to wait for the courts to prove there is a "fire" to cut ties with him and the negative press, and the distraction.

Thought the same thing about ball placement on deep sideline and comeback routes...especially when he and Foster started to mesh timing-wise. I also did not agree with the short yardage analysis when it came to steps taken in the 2nd half of last year. Sure the timing and footwork suffered with the pocket collapsing around him, but overall I felt the game was slowing down for Allen and Daboll had him spreading the ball around more towards year end with more success, better timing and touch on his 3-step quick throws. Not a total homer and realize there are passes that get away from Allen, but as long as he is trending in the right direction...that is what we should be looking for. Not sure if these guys really break down game film, or just read a few articles and make up commentary. "You are either growing or you're dying, there ain't no 3rd direction" - Tommy Boy

...and Ramsey at 9th best - oh snap. That has got to sting for a guy with that much ego. Honestly, I don't really hate on the kid. I don't mind a player that uses trash talk as part of their game to try to get in another player's head and also knows he is going to put himself under the microscope for every play he gives up. Ramsey does that with most all the QBs and pretty much every receiver he faces. It is very deliberate. Having players that trash talk Buffalo, our team, or players gives fans someone to root against and just makes it all the more enjoyable when we thump their team.

Wait Gugny's ex went to a barber for hair appointments? Should have given her a bigger budget. Mine spends a fortune on a dude whose name is pronounced TOE-mas, but she is all happy and I am off the radar for a week or so. Money well spent.

There has been the health issues. I am sure it probably works best for all parties as a flexible, open door, arrangement.

Fingers crossed. If he sticks and grows into the role it will be great for Josh. There were 3 tight ends I wanted in this draft. The 1st there was no way...the other 2 the Bills did not snag. I am not rooting against this kid, but if he shines you have to hand it to our scouts and have to wonder just how poorly Ol' Miss utilized him. I felt that for Allen to grow, he needed a solid outlet TE who can block on the edges and a big target he could depend on to leverage his hot read and dump options. Good luck "Hard Knox", "Fort Knox"....something will stick.

Totally had the aging wires crossed. George was the QB who couldn't get along with folks and played too much blame game. Was thinking of Marinovich. My mistake.

Wasn't George's problem maturity....alcohol and drugs and such? He was physically gifted, but I think his failures were more on the dicipline side of things, not that it was impossible to groom the talent. Maybe reading too much into your comment, it happens.

Blame the Vikings for that stacked Dallas team. That Herschel Walker trade may have been one of the most one-sided deals in football history. 18 players and draft picks in total. It was robbery pure and simple and sent a Viking team that was thinking SB run to the basement while catapulting Dallas to a team stacked with quality draft picks that few could hang with. Our Bills just happened to be the best AFC team and ran into a buzz saw.

I think Daboll was wearing snowmobiling gloves.

He went over that in some detail with Simms too and talked about how having the left foot forward he felt he was out of rhythm when getting into his 3-step drop. He would get to his drop too quickly, set his feet before the route had developed, then have his hips too open and not aligned properly for the short throws to the right. Having his feet set and with his hips too open (think parallel to the sideline rather than having the front hip angled more to where he intended to throw) to the right lent itself to throwing the ball "all arm" from an awkward position and those passes being less accurate. At least that was how I interpreted what Josh was saying. Or we could just go with it felt more comfortable having the right foot forward, and the rhythm/timing worked better for his 3 steps drops allowing him to set his feet properly to be more accurate - especially short throws to the right. Either way, it is just good to see the way Josh and the other QBs work together to try to "peer review" their technique and work on improvements. I think this year we may have a true semblance of a running game so Josh is going to have to work on perfecting his play action. Roll the tape of Peyton Manning and see how to carry out play action. Manning worked hard at eliminating any "tells" between the steps and motion taken on a play action play and those where he handed it off. He followed through each and every time. Brady, Brees, and Rogers are not too shabby either. Legit play action that safeties will bite on, Josh's arm strength, and with Foster and Brown outside.... bombs away

I like Simms and I think he does a good job of getting guys to open up, but yeah just watching them both near the end with that crossbar hitting contest.... Chris had to start back a bit from the line, wind up, take a few short-steps into the throw, and release, like most guys would. Josh basically just stood there and tossed it 30 yards on a rope effortlessly. One can understand why the kid had a habit of throwing off-platform and proper mechanics be damned. The heat Allen can get on the ball with just his arm and core torque I don't think you can teach, or more guys could do it.

My thoughts too. If UDFAs can't contain the "stupid" while sitting on the bubble then what will they get into once signed. I think he's likely gone...one and done. I don't get it, but assume that getting involved in things like this get swept under the rug up thru college. There are always some guys that just don't understand the scrutiny and personal conduct policies that come with making an NFL roster.

Caught Simms on one of his pod casts talking about that interview, and he and his co-host jokingly said that 2 qb's throwing to each other inevitably turns into a competition to see who can laser it into the other guy's hands. If taken at face value, the pass catchers were there to keep the tosses from getting stupid hard and injuring hands - as good a reason as any other I guess.

You're joking right. I was upset when my father passed away. I did not threaten to decapitate anyone, nor did I show up to the funeral home armed with guns and silencers to threaten folks with either. He has a long history of violent instability, this is not a case of "temporary" insanity. The dude is seriously unwell, should be under observation, medicated, and definitely not in possession of firearms.

There are a few other than Manning, even Brees who is the short-yardage king had up and down performances his first 3 years (some of that was injury-related, but Josh took a cheap-shot to his shoulder too). I think it depends both on the type of QB (limited arm strength) and whether they played some spread offense in college and have a similar offense with good tools to operate within when they go pro. Mahomes hit the ground running, but definitely is adept at taking the shorter throws and had a good supporting cast; whereas Josh has never done anything but sling the ball past the sticks since HS. No guarantees, but it is waaay too early to close the book on what he can or cannot be taught to do in a professional offense with the right coaching. Not a popular thing these days, but patience is not always the same as spinning your wheels going no where.

The no-huddle giveth and it taketh away? There are times when I think going no-huddle can snap a team out if an offensive funk, get them into a rhythm, and keep a defense from making adjustments. Or, if you are playing catchup in the 2nd half of a game and want to squeeze in more offensive plays. On the flip side, if you don't execute you go 3 and out in 30 seconds or so and your defense is gassed and back on the field. Situational call by the coaches, but it has its uses and should be a part of any playbook I think.

Read that. We needed more from that position last year. If he can recover most of his pre-injury form it would really help this defense. Last year he played like a guy coming off an acl surgery, tentative and favoring his "good" leg for power, getting tangled up with blockers, with little burst or change of direction. This is the year to see if he has physically and mentally moved on from his injury and trust that his body can go full speed.

Interesting. Because there are multiple documented statistical reviews that showed significant progress by Josh Allen even within his first season. His performance pre-injury compared to his post-injury performance paint a clear picture of stats trending in the right direction. Most are aware of this yet continue to use an amalgam of his poor early stats mixed with his more favorable post injury stats to drive the overall performance stats down to better support a negative narrative. I find this approach to be disingenuous, but I will respect the doubters who are intent on seeing more proof. It has not been all rainbows and unicorns for us fans, and I get that optimism can be in short supply.

I guess It is a good thing that folks were not blinded by completion % stats when Peyton Manning entered the league. After his rookie season of 28 interceptions and his 56% completion rate they should have pulled the plug....nothing to build on with those flawless analytics. ...and now watch the analytics crowd TRY to find all the ways that it did not apply to a very successful QB. The bias effect of cherry-picking the stats that support previous assumptions.

An oversimplification. "Turn a "bad" player into a good one". How is bad determined? One partial year of NFL experience and stats. So his ceiling has been set. Might as well give up on most of our rookies if they are not good-to-great right out of the gate, why even bother with developing them? Bruce Arians when covering one of our games from the booth last year was clearly enamoured with the skills Josh put on display. He saw so many good things you can't teach and the problems he did see he felt could be easily corrected...mainly just taking the easier throws when given them and not trying to do too much on each play. He sounded like a coach stuck in a booth that wanted to run down to the field and work with Allen during half time. His biggest fear for Allen was that he would not be given the time and patience needed from the Bills organization or fans to develop his game. Hearing those comments from an established QB coach who has developed good QBs meant more to me than those who can't see beyond 1st year stats.