NoHuddleKelly12

I’ll vouch for this lol

Yes that could be true as well.

I was simply responding to your post prior to mine, wherein you said, “Trotter isn't really publicly declaring this. It's buried in a suit…” To which I responded there is no such thing as burying something in a public filing where names this prominent are featured.

But you realize it won’t be the government asked to decide on the accuracy of those statements, right? It will be a 6-12 person civil jury made up of people like you and me…I would hope they are in fact bound by those presumptions, otherwise they don’t even need to hear any evidence (which in turn must pass basic rules of reliability/admissibility) first? Of course you’re entitled to your opinions, but I’m just asking the board at large to consider that what happens in the court of public opinion often turns out to be premature and just flat wrong after legal process has wrapped.

Ha ha, this is totally what most of my family in western Pa sounds like—“do they sell first downs down at Levin’s?” Classic.

Based on a self-serving unconfirmed hearsay allegation contained within a lawsuit? Let’s see if the suit even survives a motion to dismiss or for summary judgment first before we cast the first stones?

And you would be wrong in Terry’s case. He started his company from scratch on the back of a $7,500.00 loan. Hardly the stuff of silver spoons and Vanderbilt type legacies… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Pegula

Soft and fuzzies are his middle names! 😝 https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1574130467443458054?s=20

Respectfully, it should—otherwise we pillory others based on anything said by anyone regardless of source or any semblance of reliability? That’s something we should all push back against, regardless of your opinions.

I’m confused—you asked why we should start with the default of believing a defendant over an allegation to start…so I explained why that’s fundamental due process?

Suits = public record. He or his atty knew darn right that naming names of NFL owners would get picked up by the ESPNS of the world as well as message boards like this—no such thing as “buried” in a high profile suit. Otherwise why even insert incendiary nuggets like these??

Because all plaintiffs have the burden of proof, all defendants get presumptions of facts in their favor (bedrock due process principles)

Sorry Weo, I think that’s a distinction without a difference. For Trotter to publicly attribute these statements to Pegula is textbook hearsay since he never heard Pegula say this first hand, and as a general rule, is simply not admissible. What Trotter needs to do is subpoena anyone who claims to have heard it, to actually testify themselves as to such statements, whether by deposition or open trial.

For Trotter to say it, is hearsay. If we hear from the other reporter or the other 40 directly, that would not be. Until then, it’s just not admissible statements from a court based evidentiary standard.

If you read the article, the quote about Terry states: “Bills owner Terry Pegula made racist comment, lawsuit alleges ESPN Sep 12, 2023, 02:04 PM ET Buffalo Bills owner Terry Pegula allegedly made a racist comment about Black players in the NFL, according to a racial discrimination lawsuit against the league filed Tuesday by longtime reporter Jim Trotter. Trotter alleges in the lawsuit that in 2020, a fellow NFL Media reporter recalled a conversation he had with Pegula, who was speaking to the reporter about the NFL's social justice initiatives and Black Lives Matter. The reporter, who was not identified in the lawsuit, told Trotter and approximately 40 other NFL Media coworkers during a Zoom call that Pegula said: "If the Black players don't like it here, they should go back to Africa and see how bad it is." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38387165/bills-owner-terry-pegula-made-racist-comment-lawsuit-alleges Double or triple hearsay would be for example, reporter A tells reporter B that subject X said “XYZ”, and reporter B testifies to that effect—in court that’s hearsay, because the declarant would be the best person to testify about that statement, having been a party to it. Triple adds another layer, if for example one of the “40” tells Reporter B that Reporter A said he heard Subject X say XYZ… In other words, it's a situation where one person relays what someone else said, who in turn was repeating what a third person said. As a general rule, that’s just not reliable or admissible in court, because prone to inaccuracies.

So Pegula on record strongly denying the claim, and I note the allegations are from 2020…can we honestly expect something this newsworthy to be kept quiet for 3 years despite the claim that over 40 people allegedly heard it? I don’t know how credible that is, not to mention the double or even triple levels of hearsay involved.

You sir are destined to be right at least 2x/day, as with all clocks 😁. In all seriousness, Benjamin was a buffet of disastrous proportions…

It is frustrating when you know it’s coming and the team still looks like it’s the biggest surprise and can’t tackle either.

Daboll was always good at getting through to Josh and correcting his detrimental tendencies, highlighting his strengths. Clearly Dorsey does not have this Midas touch, and the QB room is hardly filled with “cagey vets” who could take him aside for a few timely pointers. Maybe Daboll will get fired after this season and the Bills can re-hire him? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Touché.

Honest question—what are your thoughts as a Jets fan with Rodgers possibly done for the season? Does it feel a little like you won the battle but lost the war? At some point your QB needs to win you games, and Wilson has shown what he can and can’t do, tonight notwithstanding. Congrats on a solid team effort for you all around!

In fairness to him though, can you really paint him for his 2018 rookie season games where the likes of Kelvin “burner” Benjamin were running excuses of routes for him out there? Also his rushing was off the charts back then…

I’m a huge Allen homer, you all know that. What I’m missing is his obvious fire and will to win that he always used to wear on his sleeve and inspire teammates with—I haven’t seen that since before the Bengals game—just a lot of emotionless/blank sitting on the bench when you should be getting in guys’ faces and pumped up for the next shot—Peyton pointed this out too in the manningcast towards the end of the game. What gives??

The Jets are to Allen what the Browns are to Burrow…

For everyone’s sanity, avoid the national media this week at all costs!!!