NoHuddleKelly12

Adrian Peterson Kyle Williams Vontae Davis (Crap...sorry, brain fart)

Why does it seem like the Bill Belichick coaching tree curls up and dies like it's been hit with Agent Orange almost every time one of these coordinators gets a HC gig? (McDaniels, Crennel, Patricia, Mangini off the top of my head--maybe more)

It would have to take the Ravens game level of futility replayed all over again into at least week 8 or 9 before this could become a serious topic of discussion. Oh, and a few more FA's pulling a vontae on the team

Hmmm...am not aware. But I did find this: https://giphy.com/gifs/dumpster-fire-pittsburgh-QLyhWVTvAHbAbAdWcp

"One kid being a sore loser and just going home because he didn’t want to play soccer." Ouch...does that sting just a little bit Vontae? Nah, probably not. If the dude didn't have any form of loyalty to his mates in the trenches in the middle of the battle, then nothing said about him now will probably matter to him either. It is kind of funny though that his name is quickly turning into an action noun (e.g., exactly halfway up the forbidding slopes of K2, the sherpa decided he'd had enough of the stinging wind in his face, and turned without a word to rappel back down the mountain, and leave his rag tag group of half-frozen tourists behind to await a certain death. "Don't vontae on us now sir, please!" hauntingly echoed through the Himalayas, but eventually those sounds were swallowed up by the howl of the wind embracing the treacherous mountain...); or, in the past tense, maybe it would read something like this--"Johnny was mad because he'd been vontaed by his best friend, who never even had the decency to send him a direct text message before quitting on the model airplane project they'd been working on for half the year already."

I like it--at least give Teller a shot--could it really be any worse if we do? Like you said, he may learn and progress, whereas anyone he jumps in for on the current spots may have already plateaued? Plus it would show McD means business with shaking things up-no one's job is "safe," and if it lights any kind of fire under guys getting benched, so much the better down the road.

I stand corrected, thanks!

Coach Huey “Hue” Jackson is literally as effective in collecting wins as the Venezuelan minister of economic growth is in stopping inflation. I know they were planning on a total rebuild several years back even more extreme than ours, but good night all of us here are also perfectly capable of putting up something like a 1-31 coaching record coming into this year. They are showing a pulse this year at least, but I wonder how long Huey can afford to keep Mayfield on ice?

Music ? to my ears; this kid is starting to take the reigns and all of us hope he never lets them go—a real leader does stuff like this. A great sign of things to come!

Hopefully we can flash enough $$ in front of the impact ones that do hit the market, to right the ship--there's always enough given other teams' salary cap issues to where we should be able to take advantage, as one of the teams playing a starting QB on a rookie team friendly cap deal. I get it's not a cure-all, and hitting on the draft picks is key, but good grief, there have to be some moves to make where the money will fix a lot.

That's on Beane to figure out, he's cashing the paycheck to do so.

What?? You don't want to get running Clemson commentary/updates during your HC's NFL pressers? Or Rex modeling the latest in Tiger apparel?

I'm still not willing to pull the plug on McD, I feel like his fundamental back to basics approach was needed after blustering blowhard Sexy Rexy & nepotism-enabled Rob hit their ceiling, lost their mojo and couldn't get out of their own way, but the goodwill checks are definitely being cashed in at a drunken sailor in Rio type pace. Hopefully Allen gets the help he needs, and soon.

I really do get your concern. But to your point about replacing them with nothing, if we go through the upcoming offseason not getting a windfall of quality FA's with all of the cash laying around, and multiplying our draft capital, I'd be more inclined to agree with you--I just think it's too early to say we've gotten nothing back, since it seems like everything's been geared towards writing off bad contract dead money and gaining picks, so at least that's a plan for enabling significant future acquisitions to move the product on the field forwards to compete for the actual division and knock of the Patsies once and for all. The problem is that's happened at the expense of short term competitiveness, worse than I expected for sure, and this on the heels of the playoffs, so our fan expectations are of course that we should be repeating, not going bottoms up. I don't think Beane has been as transparent and/or honest as he probably should've been along the way about this--no managing of expectations, or not enough at least.

Plenty of previous regimes/HC's had their shot at this since Wade Phillips in '99, and whiffed so bad that by default McD has bought himself an extra few years. I don't think anybody can argue that McD was able to get the season turned around after the Chargers game (winning a tough one on the road in KC the following week), admitting to his locker room that what he'd tried hadn't worked, and got a bunch of no talents to overachieve beyond their pay grades--also a big reason why Kyle Williams decided to come back for one more run after buying in, and he's had the hindsight/benefit of living through truly awful coaching when he's seen it during his career, no? At least McD has the kahonies to admit when he's gotten something wrong, and not stick with such a bad decision over the course of a whole season, just to try to save his own ego. Peterman became a Thursday All-American during the off-season: full-go when everyone else was jogging, and that had even a bunch of posters on these boards saying it was the right call to say he'd won an open competition and save Allen for after the brutal opening stretch of games. Now that we know different, it's not like McD hasn't owned it--he immediately (again) tried to rectify the situation. He's in year 2 of his first HC gig, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. Let's see what happens after adjustments have been made going into the next couple weeks. Much of the roster's dumpster fire that happened in the off-season I'm sure was not part of what he wanted either.

For Vontae's response in the locker room when told that his 1st half was unacceptable... https://giphy.com/gifs/rWbIF9rfkV4NW

Definitely the toughness and no-quit attitude (unlike he who will not be named but decided that one half of ball should equal one whole game check) parts, and howitzer for an arm; as for the overall stats, Kelly threw 3 TD's that day, but also had the benefit of being a 26 yr old rookie who'd just left the USFL after throwing for ridiculous yardage and TD's 2 straight years--so had a ton more reps coming in. At the end of the day, we should be so lucky if JA approaches what JK gave this franchise for 10 years. But it's the most optimistic I've felt about the Bills' QB position since Flutie Flakes were on the shelf. I still have an unopened box, maybe I'll break the seal if Allen becomes the real deal.

And really, could he face any stiffer D competition than what he's about to walk into next week in Minnesota?? If he survives that rogues' shooting gallery upright behind the current O-line, doesn't lose his mind or throw a half dozen picks, his probability meter for future of this franchise will take off at "transwarp" speed (did I just out myself as an irredeemable Trekkie nerd?) Sadly, also true

Good point--Kelly himself said he could never get ready to start a game without tossing his cookies as a necessary "nerves" pregame ritual--I bet the only times he didn't do that were the last 3 of the SB's (played decent enough to have won XXV), lol.

All true; however, when it does happen, and it clicks (e.g., Mahomes telling Peter King that Alex Smith's willingness to mentor/share his knowledge of what it takes to make it in the league being absolutely the foundation for Mahomes' blowing up so far this year) it absolutely gives the young pup a leg up as opposed to having to reinvent the wheel for himself through trial and error on the fly only.

Didn’t think the Patsies would be looking up at Miami this week too, so there’s that. ?

I understand your point, but it’s also hard to argue with the tale of 2 very different halves. Even the last SB winning Eagles featured their HC Pederson calling all the offensive plays on game days I believe, and it didn’t make him have too much on his plate

For a coordinator, is there really ever any coming back from something like this? At least for the team on which it happens? This was Leslie’s “peterman” moment where he can’t finish his only job because of a performance issue...and the change was marked just as with JA coming in.

Just an overall unreal turn of events...these first rough weeks along with Davis acting like a hotheaded spoiled quitter that he is, will either break the spirit of the team beyond redemption for the rest of this season until massive roster overhauling can commence with the 10 draft picks and est. 70 million in cap space upcoming, or it will absolutely create a moment that we can look back on where new leadership was forged (Allen & other hungry go-getters) within this team and created an overachieving no quit group the rest of the way. I honestly can’t even hazard a guess at this point which way we will go

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