No_Matter_What

Because he wants Hall at all costs, has a thread about it, has him in each mock and talks about him in another 100 posts in various threads.

Sportrac has now Keenum in violet (which is very rare) with the following comment: Player can void the 2022 year with a $3.5M payback. Anybody knows what that means? It sounds like he can give us $3.5M back and find a better deal if he wants.

Yeah, much better, and as anticipated. So right now after already counting all rookies we have imo cap space of 2,5M minus cap hits of Phillips and Lawson, which I assume will be around 4,5M together. Or, in other words, we are exactly at zero right now and need to make room for rookies (ca 2,2M). Plus room for any FA we intend to sign, which I guess is at least cheap CB and maybe G.

Well that was also a dynasty of some sort...

You mean slighly better than you expected when you heard that we had signed Jones or the structure is better than expected after you heard 14/2? In other words, do you think we got value here? EDIT: Nevermind you wrote "bigger" not "better" So that answers my question.

So Sportrac says we have 2,1M cap space right now, and it has already corrected OJ Howard and only relevant guys not accounted for are Lawson and Phillips. If my math is correct for draft picks we need almost exactly 2,2M (counting top 6 picks, cap hit will be actually lower if more picks make the roster). So we are imo sitting at exactly ZERO right now, but that is with TOP 51 (like I said I have no clue what's the point but that's the way it is). Full roster is 53 so our total cap space right now should be negative in the exact amount of Lawson's and Phillips' contracts, which both might imo range from 1M to 3M (there might be some void years too). I assume their total cap hit is somewhere around 4M. So we need one more restructure just to fit them, Maybe it has already be done with Case Keenum contract - I saw some confusing info that Browns already did some work with it (its not reflected by Spotrac, which has him at 6,1M cap hit), and if not, I guess Beane will do something. So my guess right now is that one more restructure is coming to accomodate CB FA. I can't imagine going to the draft with just what we have on roster. I am also exepcting to sign some guard FA in coming days.

Yeah it is really interesting that Sal doesn't know that (or doesn't care enough). Or maybe he is right and sportrac wrong but I doubt that. Anyway, let's hope that he will be worth the contract. Cap hit next year is quite big for 1T DT and we essentialy can't cut him if he doesn't perform year one - or we can, but with brutal dead cap, numbers are almost the same as wtih Star this year.

He better be good, since report were true and he really gets 14/2 almost fully guaranteed. His cap hit next year is 8.5M with 7M dead cap.

Are you sure you wanted to react on me with this? I only commented on you saying that we need 8M cap space for draft picks and explained that its not 8M but less than 3M. Thats all.

Bolded is wrong. Draft picks cost less than 3 together. You can't count their cap hits, you need also to subatract cap hit of player they are replacing. So in reality only first and second rounder cost more than 0.3M or so.

Yeah I also already found out.

Well I wasn't way off with my guess 2 days ago. A bit smaller signing bonus, a bit lower 2022 cap hit in exchange for higher cap hits next 2 years. Overall nice contract, next year will be fun cap wise EDIT: What is surprising, according to sportrac signing bonus is spread over 5 years only, not all 6. I had no idea it was even possible. So it means that after 3 years there is only dead cap of 2 years worth of signing bonus (7,4M). Interesting.

He has way higher than 5%. It won't be easy to have 4 guards better than him on the roster. Right now we have 2 if you count Bates. Hopefully 3rd comes from the draft. You need at least one more to cut Ford. Won't be easy.

Yeah reports seem to be contradictory. My money is on Joe being right though.

@Hapless Bills Fan Saffold is on, so you can see it. We are at 13.5 from 17.0. Really curious about those other 4 guys.

Yes Hap I am pretty sure you don't quite unterstand how Sportrac works, and bolded is exactly how it works. See my post on previous page where I did exactly that - you need to take $3.5M off once you count complete cap hits of all 5 remaining new players. Sportrac has no way how to reflect that. At this moment, it counts 51 players, including last one Quintin Morris who has 705k cap hit. Cap space (top 51) is lets say 17M. So if Saffold's contracts is accounted for, his 4.2M cap hit goes to top 51, but Morris' 0.7M cap goes out of the equation. So our cap space is lowered by the difference only, and it becomes 13.5M.

Hap you have it wrong. You can't substract all 4.2 for Saffold. It's only 3.5, since it replaces 700k of bottom roster guy.

I've been saying that all along and everything what happened in FA so far points to that direction. I think CB situation solves itself somehow, so the only thing which I am not happy with right now is OL. I have no idea how good Saffold is but I wanted to get best OL available in FA, draft OL Day1 or Day2 in draft AND retain Bates+Williams. With Williams gone we have definitely not upgraded both strating line and depth. Hopefully Beane has some additional ideas.

I didn't notice your opinion on Von Miller signing. Do you like it? Do you like it more that Chandler Jones signing you wanted?

It was already reported that it is NOT post June 1

Waiting for Sportrac to catch up I'll make a wild guess how we stand. They show we have 15,5M right now (actually 16,9M top51 but since final roster is 53 players I have no clue what's the point of temporary top 51). That's after cutting Star already. They have OJ Howard wrong, since they count 3,5M and his actual cap hit for 2022 will be 2,9M if the reports are true. So we have 16,1M cap space. Saffold - 4,25M (reported) Miller - 6M (my wild guess, I expect up to 4M prorated signing bonus and max 2M salary) DQ Jones - 5M (maybe little less, it was reported as 14/2 but some void year would not surprise me) Phillips - 2,5M (no clue, but I guess he and Lawson came very cheap) Lawson - 2M (same as above, even less money) However, these cap hits replace 700k cap hit of other players currently accounted for so we need to add extra 3,5M. In this scenario we are right now having around 0 cap space. We need backup QB, and I expect maybe 2 more FA players (CB, OL?, RB?, LB?), plus we need up to 3M for rookies, so 2 more restructures incoming. Looking forward real numbers.

If it is pre June 1 release (standard), we save around 1,5M cap space this year and also eat all his dead cap, which is quite a lot - 7,7M. We could also use post June 1 release, which means 2,6M more savings this year (so 4,1M savings, 5,1M dead cap), but those 2,6M would be dead cap next season (2023). And savings this year would be effective after June 1, so we would not be able to use those money (cap space) right now in free agency. Apparently we chose the former option. Good to hear. Don't have to kick every can down the road.

End of an era!

Saffold is already in his own thread. 4.25M this year, 2M next void year. Overall good value I guess.