No_Matter_What

Agreed. I asked about this couple posts earlier. Doesn't make sense based on everything we heard during camp. Backup center, looked like lock, injury was supposed to be minor. Really curious what is going on.

Hmm, but if they wanted to keep him, they wouldn't cut him. He has 350K dead money. If he is out for a month but you want him, you cut Kumerow after mutual agreement, roster Mancz, IR Mancz and resign Kumerow with couple extra bucks. Doesn't make sense to me. I think Beane specificaly said its nothing major with Mancz. I guess we will know by tomorrow.

Can somebody explain me that Mancz thing? I thought from all the reports that he was a lock. Was he outplayed by Hart and Van Roten? Wasn't he supposed to be primary backup center? I am confused.

No more official cuts yet? Beane asleep at wheel AGAIN?

So far "confirmed" OL Alec Anderson WR Tanner Gentry TE OJ Howard RB Raheem Blackshear RB Duke Johnson DE Brandin Bryant DT CJ Brewer DT Prince Emili From the list of players who were training today it seems that following players will be also cut: OT Luke Tenuta WR Marquez Stevenson WR Isiaih Hodgins DE Mike Love DE Kingsley Jonathan DT Eli Ankou LB Joe Giles Harris CB Ja'Marcus Ingram In other words, in some kind of capacity, i.e. at least temporarily will stay (from questionable ones): Greg Van Roten, Kumerow, Sweeney, Morris, Moss, T. Jones, Lawson, Spector, A.Smith (suspended), Cam Lewis, Nick McCloud Barkley was also training today.

Well this is certainly an optimistic way how to look at things. I can imagine another perspective. The one where we keep Morris for his actual and amazing cap $705K, and not for "adjusted" cap hit of $3,3M you just calculated

Well then we just need to agree to disagree I guess I find spreading irrelevant, total cap hit matters. Star $5.2M, Howard 3.2M. Star has more, but Howard is relatively much worse, since he wasn't even here. That is just wasted money.

I disagree. Star left us with §5.2M dead cap but he played here what, 3 seasons? Howard didn't play a snap and leaves us with $3,2M dead cap. That is much worse imo.

Didn't Dorsey say exactly the opposite? That he is just FB in his offense? I might have misread something. That's all good Yolo. If he sucks I am fine with keeping better players. I just think this is a huge huge miss on Beane's part. $3M dead cap is a lot for a player without a snap for the Bills. I know nobody sees the future and I will keep assessing Beane based on his overall work but this one hurts. More than any of his moves in recent memory.

Yeah I love the work he is doing but this is huge miss on Beane's part. $2.6M dead cap for a guy who won't take a snap in Bills uniform is brutal given how tight our cap will be following years. Huge miss.

This is brutal from the dead cap point of view, unless I am (or Sportrac is) missing something.

And so it begins! Anyway, it's really interesting that they cut him before Blackshear. Curious if it means something...

Ok thanks. I think that White won't be ready soon so he goes to PUP. Do you know if he can start training with the team sooner then in W5 (i.e. when not activated from PUP)? As for others, if Doyle needs to be IRed he will temporarily use that punter spot. I don't think they will bother with Stevenson that much, he might be just cut. Morris is questionable - if they wanted him on 53, they will need to find a temporary roster spot. In that case, someone needs to be cut and resigned. But it won't be Jones - he has 600k dead money. Ferguson and Kumerow seem like prime candidates (if Kumerow makes it).

On a side note, I really hope they hit on Cook so we don't have to go through annual "Let's draft RB XY in the 1st round" mandatory thread

You have some kind of obsession with Crowder, don't you?

Not much difference between PUP and IR for him, but quite a big for the Bills, if I understand it correctly. If we IR him, he needs to get on original 53. If we PUP him, he doesn't have to, so we can keep one more player (without need to cut him, eat possible dead money and then sign him again). Right?

Well since there are no leaks from our FO this tweet actually makes me believe he might be traded

Look how the word "loser" is used in the post he was responding to. He was joking.

I am pretty sure that Edmunds was eligible as a rookie.

This is extremely well put even for you Gunner 👍 Agree with everything. Extend those 3, let go Edmunds and Poyer even though I don't mind Edmunds and I love what Poyer brings. Can't pay everyone so we need to choose wisely. And I do believe that Beane thinks in these lines too. Only problem I see that I still don't see how it is possible not to extend Poyer now. Will he really play if they don't agree on something? I hope so but I am skeptic. But it is best for the team imo. Minor thing re Singletary - if he has a good year I'd try to extend him on terms very favorable to Bills. Something really cheap. Maybe he takes it. EDIT: I also think that without this Poyer issue one of Oliver/Knox would be extended through this season. Something like Taron last year. But if Poyer is not extended then it might create some bad blood to extend someone important before him, so Beane might be forced to wait until the season ends. Which will cost us money probably.

Exactly this. We barely had cap space to sign PS guys.

Not a bad roster with couple question marks (as with any fan roster). Did you omit Matakevich by accident or do you think he will be cut? I really doubt that. Hell would freeze before Hodgins fetches 4th round. If Beane pulls some magic trick then maybe 6th.

I did this very same exercise with sportrac, using same players as you. Once I cut it to 53 players it shows $4,5M cap space. I have no idea how does that account for Boettger so not sure if I need to substract his $1M. So little different numbers. Biggest differences are Duke Johnson (only $650K savings) and Andre Smith over $1M in savings. No idea how it will work with Smith. My assumption was that we have two options - cut him altogether, or put him on initial 53 then he gets suspended and we gain roster spot (?). But I don't think we can afford doing that (and that we will be willing to do that for him) so I guess he is cut. Correct me pls if I am wrong. Sportrac shows different cap hits than you on most players btw. Anyway, it still shows more cap space than you calculated.

Are you sure about Allen? He was benched last week.

OP I know it is stressful to post before Yolo but now when you are relaxed can you pls fix Gesicki's name in title?