No_Matter_What

My conclusion from both TSW mock drafts is that we need to have some luck in the first round that one of few guys we might be interested in falls and then we have to trade up in the second (using fourth) for the OL/LB/WR we want.

This is sort of OT here but a little thought I don't know where else to post - if Hamlin really is cleared for the season and Lawson indeed signs then in my count we have already 50 NFL quality level players on the roster - counting Boettger, Lawson, Dodson, Spector and Neal as bottom roster guys, and not counting guys like Cam Lewis, Brandin Bryant, Eli Ankou, Kingsley Jonathan, Zayne Andreson and Jared Mayden who were mostly on PS or probably belong there. And if my math is correct, 3 players we are missing before draft (based on what we usually keep) are WR, TE and RB. Since 4th RB used to be Taiwan Jones, who was in fact just a ST player, it is possible that we use some other player in his ST role (player playing other position) and won't keep 4 RBs at all. To sum it up, I'd be shocked if we didn't draft WR (not that it is anything new ) and I guess that TE is also all but sure. Also, I find it absolutely incredible that as it stands now Rapp is the only player on defense who wasn't on the roster last year.

Oops sorry had tough court hearing couple hours ago, still not in a good mental form Totally missed that this is without trades lol

So, given the discussions on these forums, are we somehow able to strike a deal with Jags @MrEpsYtown (if they want to) and jump the Giants? @Virgil

Switching spots with Jags would probably cost us 4th just like last year (or maybe even more). Not sure I'd do that. Also, I am not sure if Beane would specifically jumped Giants, given the relationship between teams (Schoen and Daboll). Or do you guys thinks it doesn't matter at all?

Yep, I am just googling it, I've read somewhere that NFL "withholds" Johston's draft invititation and somehow I misunderstood that word, I thought that it meant that invitation was taken back but apparently it means something else

I can't find the White to Chiefs rumor but this is the list of attendees... Q. Johnston was originally invited but not anymore

First of all, awesome job. It requires lots of knowledge about both players and teams to put together reasonable mock draft, and yours is as good as it gets - both picks and reasoning. Couple of notes/questions: 1. You are on a record saying that guards (and to the lesser extent RTs) shouldn't be taken in the 1st round, not to mention top 10, unless they are expected to become regular all-pros. Do you think Skoronski is that good? 2. I've read somewhere that Keion White (unlike Anudike-Uzomah) was invited to the draft, and there are rumors that he is in fact Chiefs target. Don't you think this is the possibility? Or is he a worse fit for Chiefs in your eyes? 3. If it ended up this way, would you feel that the Chiefs outdrafted us (again)? Hyatt vs FA-U. 4. I disagree with you on this one. I know there is an (quite a strong) argument that the Bills picks usually correlate with who they are meeting with, but I do thing that McD and Beane realize (more than in the past) that they need to invest more in the OL and will be more than happy to draft OL high if value matches draft position. Unlike you, I fully expect them to try to draft OL in the first two rounds if they have a chance. But even of you don't think they do it, you say that you want them to. What does it specifically mean in this scenario? Does it mean that you would prefer drafting Harrison instead of Hyatt?

Don't know where to post this and didn't see it elsewhere. Could be potentially interesting for the Bills:

You mean like Trent McDuffie?

Gunner, does this mean that you think Zavala if drafted could become day 1 starter? Also, to expand on this a little bit, could you please list all OL prospects who you would expect to be day 1 starters for the Bills (other than obvious top 3 OTs)?

To speed things up, I take a liberty to already tag @Might Rather who picks after @Chaos. Going to bed in 4-5 hours (Europe), so I'd love to see TSW poll set up before that

Exactly. All the time people wanted Beane to invest in the offense but it doesn't come without consequences. For me, if it means that we get much weaker at MLB so be it.

I get what you are saying but I see it differently when it comes to Von. I actually don't want him to start the season. I hope he starts later, gets into the form by the end of the season and peaks in PO. Less (fewer?) games he plays lower the chance he gets injured. I want us for once to have a different season. Let's start with lot of question marks, with some losses to tough teams, and get it together when it matters. Von's injury could be blessing in disguise in this respect (I mean for the next season, it wasn't one for the last). I am perfectly fine with drafting edge if he is clearly a BPA though.

Oh cmon man You start with calling something which is at best really an out-of-the-box idea (and I am not saying a bad one) an OBVIOUS solution using caps lock and then call rude someone who is joking about it? Cmon I get what you are saying, but if you (or Beane) can see there are 20 first rounds grades, so do other GMs. Why would anybody wanted to trade up?

This should be definitely included in the poll @Virgil

Nice list but if you really meant Broderick Jones he was already taken. If @Virgil wants 13 names I'd say WR Addison, Flowers, Hyatt, Downs TE Meyer, Washington OL Torrence, Harrison, D. Jones EDGE N. Smith LB Sanders, Campbell I'd throw there RB Gibbs just for fun Some of those will be taken though. So maybe add WR Rice, S Johnson or DL Breese

I think that things are shaping out nicely for Jack Campbell

Any idea what's their solution at QB if they get rid of Jones? Bailey Zappe? Or did I miss something?

I agree that there are probably less guys "worth" picking in the first this year than usual, but I disagree with the bolded. If we take 27th best player with 27th pick it is not a reach, even if such player has 2nd round grade by normal standards. If the draft is worse than usual, it is what it is. Just pick the best guy available at each spot. Trade up if you can ***** much better guy, trade down if it is the best solution and there is a partner. But this is something what you should no matter how strong the draft is.

Now this is encouraging, last time I checked the other thread about meeting with prospects it seemed that we are completely ignoring OL. I really hope we draft one in the first two rounds.

So Hyatt > Campbell > Flowers?

"per season"?

So it really means that Rapp was also signed under $2M. Cool

Love these Virgil, thanks for doing it. I won't participate on anything longer than one round but I enjoy any draft simulation. Btw, I am setting over/under for @GunnerBill saying that it is **** draft in Mock no. 1 at 2.5