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Hmmm. It's on Sportrac and they have it much better than tweets above: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jordan-poyer-12500/ It says 10M guaranteed, 3.6M cap hit this year, 6.2M cap hit next year, and only 750k dead cap if released. There are some incentives too. If true, this is the best deal Beane has ever done lol.

I really doubt he will get bigger just beacuse we released him

Btw this looks like we are going to get a WR somehow very soon. I doubt we are going to enter the draft with just 4 NFL receivers on the roster.

It was always a possibility once we kept/restructured Hines and added Harty, but I didn’t think it will happen before TC (and I know he was due some $300k or so today). Wish him all the best. He was a good Bill.

I hope that anyone who mentions this as an example how our division rivals are getting better also mentions that Miami just lost him lol

I just posted this in another thread. I fully agree. And I like it TBH. I know most people here don't care about the cap or think it can always be manipulated but at some point we need to make it work with cheap guys as starters. We have top secondary so we have to survive having young LB next to Milano.

Apparently Dodson signed for $2M. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrel-dodson-29586/ I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't sign any LB at this point and waited for the draft. And I can also imagine that we won't draft anyone high and roll with Bernard or Dodson as starting LB.

Agreed, it is a good sign that it will not be something his agent is proud of. But what would you think in fact means? I've seen even numbers like $10M AAV floating around, which seems way to much to me. I hope it is $7M or so. Also, it was reported as 2yr deal, but we've seen in the past that it actually can be 1yr deal with void year.

Ok, so its really just number of players in/out and ONLY IF you lose more players than you sign then you start looking at the contracts? So let's say we only lose Edmunds for that crazy contract and sign some random RB for 6/2 and we get nothing? If that is the case I agree with @HappyDays that once you know 3rd round is in play for someone like Edmunds you should start considering "playing comp pick game". Not saying that you should do anything to get that comp pick, just take it into equation. If we don't get it because we lose 3 players and sign 3 players I'd say it could be a mistake. If we sign 5 FAs who qualify then like you said its all moot point.

I know, you misread my post. I wrote $10M for rookies, PS players, 52/53 player and some in season moves, and I meant all these things together. $2M rookies $4M PS players $1.7M 52/53 player (not counted now, counted once the season starts) $3M bacis buffer for season Hence ~$10M total.

2 questions: 1. Are you sure that Poyer counts like any other free agent? I thought that re-signing your own doesn't count. 2. Do you understand how the formula works? If Poyer signs something like 14/2 does it mean we can completely lose 3rd round pick for TE, or it can just cause that it becomes lower pick, let's say 5th round?

They still have Milano original cap hit, so it is actually about $16.5M before Poyer and Allen. I guess/hope Allen gets max. $2M (so $1M extra cap hit) and I don't expect Poyer's 2023 cap hit to be more than $6M (so $5M extra cap hit) - I still hope he signed for $7M AAV and I guess there will be a void year, so his cap hit might be as low as $4M. So my guess is that we have about $10M cap space right now. Which means we have effectively zero, since you need $10M for rookies, PS players, 52/53 player and some in season moves.

He should. From us. Something like 8/3. I think that he won't get much more than that.

No problem. I hope you and the Bills are right. I just reacted on you saying that I am trying to find out something to be upset about. I am the direct opposite, so it hurts me when people say it

Now I am completely lost. You are either confusing me with someone or just trying to be jerk from no reason at all. I didn't express any opinion on that KC signing. I guess I find it stupid what they did, but I don't care that much about Chiefs. I care about Bills. I support almost everything what they do, and I really don't know why you feel the need to attack me personally for a little random critical hot take. But whatever, you do you.

Again, same as I just responded to MAJBobby. I am not trying to find anything. I am pretty sure that I am one of the biggest Beane and McD supporters on this board. I have all silly whiners and trolls blocked. I mention guarantees since cap space is my hobby (as you can see from my posting history) and on the first glance this looks like a questionable signing to me. I think I am allowed to have critical hot take from time to time Peace.

Bobby why so offensive? Your guess (apparently implying that I whine about everything) is completely wrong. I am one of the biggest Beane / McDermott supporters on this board. That doesn't mean I have to immediately praise every single signing, does it? I have no idea why you felt the necessity to react this way.

I get what people say about potential and granted I wouldn't know if he is any good even if I watched Saints but still, giving $5M guaranteed to a guy who has grand total of 793 receiving yards in 4 seasons (!) is really confusing to me. I guess we'll see. I do expect something really big happens in the next 36 or so hours.

Nope, I already counted Milano. Sportrac shows $14.5M, I added $6M, so right now we should have something over $20M.

Yeah but it is not relevant. Total cap hit of rookies will be over $7M, but we only need about $2M extra, since those rookies will be replacing other players already accounted for. So @GolfandBills is right, all draft picks cost us about $2M in cap space.

Right now we have about $20.5M cap space - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ what you see here, plus about $6M from Milano, which isn't accounted for there yet. Dodson and Lewis are not there, but they won't eat much, they will just replace other cheap players with similar salary. On the other hand, Dane Jackson is already accounted for. If you want to know real cap space, you need to substract: $2M for draft class (that is not their total cap hit, just the difference between rookies cap hits and players they replace) ~$4M for PS players ~$3M for in season moves $1,7M for 52nd and 53rd roster players (right now its top 51 only) So if my math is correct, we have about $10M total effective cap space. We also need to sign about 6-7 more NFL players - QB, OL, WR, RB, DL, LB, S. Most of them will be cheap with very small additional cap hits (e.g. backup QB signed for $2M will cost us $1.1M, since we will replace $0.9M player). So in my opinion we have space for one bigger FA/trade addition, max. 2, with usual structure, i.e. low 2023 cap hit. I guess we will somehow get Edmunds replacement and upgrade at WR, one of the being "big" acquisition.

Has anything relevant happen on the RB front (other than FTs to Pollard, Jacobs and Barkley)? I only saw that Miami re-signed their own and Perine signed with Broncos for 7/2. Seems quiet. Really curious what happens with Devin.

Gunner I am coming from the big thread where you were also commenting on Matakevich. I had two questions, and the first one you just answered above Which leads to the second one. Now I understand what he does in the team. However, are you sure that it is worth to pay him that much for this role? He gets $2.5M next season. Less than before, but still $1.6M more than random fringe NFL player. My question is - do you think that it is worth keeping guy like him for $2.5M, instead of letting Spector or anyone else signed for $900k do that job (obviously worse than Matakevich), and paying those $1.6M as extra money for a better player on more important position, who plays 80-100% of offensive/defensive snaps? Just an example - we just paid McGovern about $7.4M AAV. What if there was $9M AAV guard available? Don't you think it would be better to use those money on him? I have obviously no data on this but my gut tells me that ST plays relatively so few snaps that it is not worth the money. Bills seem to think otherwise and I respect it, but no sure I agree.

I think Sportrac has everything relevant accounted for except of Milano - they still have him at $13M which was his original cap number. So with his $6M saved we should be around $17M right now - I guess Lewis and Dodson won't eat much, maybe $300k total. I think we have $17M right now. For draft class you need less than $2M. As you say we need at least $3M for in season moves. We also need close to $4M for PS players and roughly $1,7M for 52nd and 53rd player. All in all, we have about $6-7M in cap space right now (from the perspective of 2023 season start). We also need to sign about 6-8 more NFL players - QB, OL, WR, RB, DL, LB, S. My guess is that we will make 1 more restructure, get one bigger FA/trade name, and fill the rest with Quessenberry/Crowder/Lawson type deals.

I said it before - anyone who doesn't get more than $2M total. We already overpaid Matakevich (again), let's stop wasting cap space. So wait who's left in week or so, don't give him more than $2M and more than $200k guaranteed and possibly draft someone in R6 or so.