JoshAllenHasBigHands

I mean, you can't run a team based on fan sentiment. If you did you would have a new GM, Coach, First Round QB, etc. every year. They are where they are because they make tough decisions. I'm sorry, but you are entitled to nothing but your seat as a season ticket holder I sort of think "tanking" and "rebuild" are the same thing. Sure, you are happy to win games along the way, but if you lose a ton it just doesn't matter. What matters is the plan for the next year and the year after.

What I said was, "They drafted their future, sat him for a year, and are now moving forward." That explanation is the whole point. That is what you are ignoring.

I mean, if you are going to completely bypass my point, there really isn't much to say here.

A fair argument. But you are confusing the result with the intent. The moment KC drafted Mahomes it was clear that 2016 was no longer about win now but win in the future. Now, granted, things went very differently for them- based on what you outlined- but the premise is the same - the redshirt year is irrelevant. Sure, they made the playoffs, and we may have as well if we kept Tyrod, but our sole purpose this year (including in the off season) was to get capital, get the QB, and build for the future. When they chose Allen, it was a giant flag that this year was never going to be a success.

I am trying just so hard. Reasonable minds can disagree on so many things. But to think that the failure of the offense THIS year means anything is just so beyond ignorant. Its the same basic strategy. Draft a QB that needs to develop, hold off on the development, and then go full bore the following year. The only difference is they kept their middling QB whereas we traded ours. Sure, if we had TT we would be middle of the road, just like KC was last year, but where would that get us?

The point is that it was a throwaway year. The only difference is they kept their QB while we traded ours. Sure, we could have middled if we kept TT, just like we have in the past and just like KC did with Smith, but that doesn't get us anywhere.

Its literally working for KC right now. They drafted their future, sat him for a year, and are now moving forward.

Hard disagree, they got rid of their starting QB and spent most of their capital to draft a QB that needed a red-shirt year. Maybe its not the classic version of a tank, but they obviously didn't care about what happened this year and were building for the future.

Talent. Tanking is more than just the first round pick. Its about being in possession to trade back or select high in each round, selecting the highest possible talent at each stage of the draft. That is without even addressing the abundant cap space cleared up to obtain free agents.

They traded their starting QB and then drafted a QB that needed a red shirt year. At some point you just refuse to acknowledge the objective evidence.

Interesting. If I was a coach, I wouldn't even touch the idea of a tank unless I knew I had four to five guaranteed years. No, its a tank. You just aren't happy about it.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. I was a total "lets build off last year" guy. I've realized that is wrong or at least crazy hard to do . or at least it is without a franchise QB. I'm all in on the rebuild now. Lets do it the right way. McDermott got us to the playoffs. I am super comfortable with him doing the rebuild.

Do playoff teams that think they can build off of that get rid of their starting QB and then draft a rookie that needs a redshirt year?

Lol. That attitude got us years of 7 - 9 football, no franchise QB, and a 17 year playoff drought. Sure, man. You got it. Wrong business.

This is all so absurd. This year was never about winning. They traded their starting QB; drafted a QB that was never going to be ready to start; and signed a back up QB to a $5 million deal. Why anyone would discuss the offense in any other context than the development of Allen is beyond me.

Making a lot of assumptions about a guy who has identified his franchise QB (who hasn't meaningfully played yet) and has a plan for building around him. I think its much more obvious that in this stage of his process the offense is only at the ground floor.

You know you are going to read a fire post when it starts with "I don't know anything about football, but I watch the game with my own two eyes" a/k/a "I don't know what I'm talking about but that isn't going to stop me from talking about it" Similar to, "I know science tells me the earth is round, but thats not what my own two eyes tell me!" Gotta love the internet.

The Bills didn't want to pay more than $5 million per year for their bridge QB. It was universally applauded, because did not break the magic rule of not over paying. Then the predictable happened-he played like a $5 million QB. What made the whole thing such a mess was Peterman won the job in preseason. And he did it convincingly. Then it just went completely down hill.

Love it!

To be honest, I think the kid has gotten a super raw deal. He may very well be the worst QB ever, but the odds of that are crazy low. He does make a number of really good throws. I tend to think his career thus far is more of a statistical anomaly than a certainty. I mean, he did win the job in the preseason. That really happened.

This is wrong. It is not that Allen isn't good, it is that he is a rookie, and an extremely raw one at that. The rest of the QBs obviously suck, but to lump in Allen with them creates a fallacy.

I think firing Whaley and then hiring a new GM to conduct the draft would have been as much a recipe for disaster as anything. Reasonable minds can disagree. I wholeheartedly do not think #2 was a mistake. That is pure hindsight. In the moment, those looked like seriously flawed QBs and we were in the middle of figuring out the vision going forward. That would have been a truly ballsy move. With respect to #3, reasonable minds can disagree. Glenn was expendable with the arrival of Dawkins. Say what you want about injuries, we do not see the medical records. I may or may not have known a former team doctor who told me pretty straight up that there is much more happening behind the scenes medically than you can begin to understand. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesnt. In any event, we needed the capital to get our QB. He did what he had to do and I respect it. We have our QB now. With respect to #4, I appreciate them taking a shot, but it hasn't worked out. I think they wanted the playoffs bad last year, and that trade was solely about getting us over the hump. I don't think they made that move with an eye to the future. That said, I think there was enough history on KB though to know this is how it was going to end. As to the draft, it looks so far like the game changers are on the defensive side. I think we are going to need our future pass rusher, but with that capital I am all for trading back. Problem is this year is not going to be a great trade back year because there isn't that much talent at the top, no top tier QBs, and no QB needy teams. I don't think we get that much if we trade back.

Where else would you have gotten it? What makes you say Dawkins can play LG?

He didn’t dump him. We had a replacement LT and needed capital to fill a more important position - qb. He made a business decision.

What makes you think he would be able to make that switch?