JoshAllenHasBigHands

The dirty little secret about Clay that no one wants to acknowledge

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He is, and has been, a really good LB coach. Why would you not want a guy in a role he has proven to be amazing at? So he can't coach the whole defense, just let him stick to what he is good at. Why does him being a failure at one role mean he should never work again in another role?

Well he helped win two superbowls as a LB coach sooooo those seem like pretty good results.

That is an absolutely nonsensical response.

Whats with the weird belief around here that if a coach fails as a coordinator or head coach, he is no longer qualified to be a positional coach? He got to be a coordinator by being a a really good positional coach, why would he be no longer qualified to do that?

Well of course, but its an asset allocation issue. The value of a WR1, or those guys in particular, does not increase the quality of your team enough to offset the loss created by signing those guys.

I feel like that has always been the case. Wasn't there a point in time when it had been like 5 years since a Super Bowl winning team even had a round 1 WR? I mean, how good are the Giants? Or the Falcons? Or the Bengals? They all have those stellar WR1s, but what has that done for them?

I wonder what Clay is like in the locker room. So this is one of those things that is almost impossible to track. I am big into following social media to get a feel for who hangs out with who, who's wives hang out with who, that kind of stuff. For example, Josh Allen's wife and Jerry Hughe's wife are pretty close. As is Wyatt Teller's wife. That tells me that is a group of players that are friends on and off the field. Then there is Poyer and Hyde, and the list goes on. Clay is one of those guys I never really see around on social media. It makes me wonder if he has a significant locker room presence, just because I don't often see him around other players. Now I could be wildly wrong, and all I'm doing here is speculating based on a only a little bit of information, but I can't help but wonder. All that being said, I am a huge keep Clay guy. Obviously if we have upgrades, we should cut him. But absent that, I see absolutely no reason to cut him.

Yolo, this post turned me on to Culley. It is the reason I started doing the research on him. He is a good coach and a good offensive mind. I really don't know what he did for us in the QB room, no one does, but I tend to believe that a guy with that kind of talent was important to this offense.

I'm 32, respect my wife, and respect women. No body wears "pants" in my house. We make decisions together, like adults. I would never treat my wife with so little respect that she would have to be subservient to my demands. I literally will go years forgetting that people with this attitude exist. It is super troubling that not only do you think this way, but that you aren't even ashamed that you think this way.

You're right, she does not make the money. She is therefore a slave and obliged to consent to her husband's every desire. Sounds like you have a slave, man.

The compromise was she moved to Washington for him.

IIIIII was not expecting you to defend that. Where is the compromise in forcing her to move?

The article also says that coaches around the league would joke that if a player wasn't working hard enough they would ship him off to Buffalo. That was a tough soak.

Well, thats probably as good as it gets on a message board! haha

Wait, you would force your wife to move to a city that she doesn't want to live in, when you can just as easily find the same job in a different city?

I don’t disagree, but it’s better than 90% of nfl TEs and any other player on our roster. It’s not a given that we would be able to find a huge improvement.

But its not. Players have up and down years. He has literally led this team in receiving in past years. One down year does not constitute being "ineffective" and "sticking with the same"

Which harkens back to my original point, which is unless there is some player more talented then him (which there is not) you keep him.

He came here to start rising the ranks and getting to a spot to be a head coach. If you're (not literally you) only comment about him was "but he has never been a QB coach" you really don't know a thing about how these coaching staffs work. This a huge, underrated loss for us.

Hard pass on Oliver. You just can't trust a guy to be committed to his craft when he openly fights his coach and then takes the rest of the season off.

Well he has a contract with the Bills. That is a big reason. There is literally no downfall to seeing if he can turn it around.

I just wish this was said over and over again. Believe it or not, fan anger is not a reason to cut a player. Clay hasn't lived up to expectations, but he is still the best TE on the roster. Cutting him does not all of a sudden mean the position is fixed. If they bring in someone better, sure, I''m all in. But right now, we don't have someone better.

Its hard to hate on the guy. I can see why the outside media has such low expectations for the Bills. Its not like Free Agency or the draft will even matter. Every team in the league gets to improve through those means, nullifying whatever competitive advantage we can foresee, and free agents and rookies rarely make the differnce. My only gripe, perhaps, is that he doesn't give enough credit to the jump QBs make from year one to year two. But I can't fault him for having a hard time seeing this happen.