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His original point was that the Rams defense didn't play well this game. That seems like a wild take.

That is how every game works. The other team always gets the ball back at the end of the drive. That was not a great drive. But the best defenses in the league give up drives. That is not an indictment of how the defense played as a whole. The D did not get pushed around. Yards are going to be given up. The Pats have been running long, sustained scoring drives against every team they have come up against in the playoffs. The fact that they couldn't complete (or even get into field goal range) consistently against the Rams is a testament to how good the defense played.

That is a pretty poor showing for what that offense was. In the modern NFL its all about keeping teams out of the end zone. The defense did its job and then some. It was the offenses fault the TOP was so skewed, they couldn't put any drives together.

That really isn’t so much my argument. I expanded on my point a little bit after that first post. What I’m really saying is that is that the asset allocation for WR1 doesn’t make sense. Those guys you mention didn’t require massive contracts because they never really lived up to OBJ, Jones, etc. status. They were good but not elite. I think we are better off with mid level WR2s. And I think that most good teams are built that way.

The worst part is I bet you think you are actually a pretty smart guy.

Listen to Pardon My Take sometime. This is 100% good natured fun.

Now who is moving the goal posts? I'm not going to convince you of anything, that much is clear. I suppose that is your right. But you represent the worst that society has to offer. And its not because you intentionally ascribe to a racist belief system, its because you refuse to acknowledge the obvious in front of your face. It really is so much more insidious.

I contextualized to simplify and illustrate the point to you. The basic principle applies to all athletes. I was trying to be nice because it is a topic worth teaching people. Belligerently dismissing what you don't want to hear as "stupid" or "snowflake" nonsense is why you remain so ignorant. You aren't engaging with the point at all. Of course QB is the most important position, and of course production is most important, but that doesn't mean black players aren't dismissed and criticized faster than their white peers. Take for example discipline in schools. Studies show that black students are suspended 20% (i think thats the number-its around there) more often than their white peers for the exact same offense. Its the same basic principle in sports. Are you drunk?

Whats really disturbing about this response is that you took the time to edit it, and it still doesn't make any sense. I have no idea what you mean by "stories" and what that has to do with Watson or Mahomes. The article cites to two different studies on this very issue.

I did above. You are like the second person to condescendingly ask for the statistical evidence. I have a hard time believing that anyone who exists in our society is not aware of this.

That is a kid who clearly wants to play baseball and is being pressured into the NFL draft.

This kind of stuff doesn't advance the argument and really only causes the discussion to dissolve. While you are right that most athletes are black, you have to contextualize how the judgments are being made. In this context we are talking about QBs. That is a position that has traditionally been held by white athletes. So while black people are the majority in the NFL as a whole, they are the minority at that position. Thus, they are judged more harshly. There are other applications, but you get the basic point.

THIS. Smart, insightful, etc. Just THIS

Its not about racial motivation but rather racial bias. It is about what happens at the unconscious level. To bring this all full circle, that is what TT was alluding to in the first place, the fact that black athletes are judged more harshly. P.S. dont take this as an attack. I also don't think they were racially motivated choices, and I actually think they were the right choices. But that doesn't mean there isn't a possibility that as a fan base we were too hard on him due to unconscious bias.

I did above

So you don't think there is a wealth of statistical evidence that black athletes and people generally are not judge more harshly than their white counterparts?

Go figure, a white QB was given another season to see if he could play better. The black QB? No such luck.

Thats fair. In the end, my point is that black athletes are judged more critically because they are black. Whether TT ended up failing is beside the point, he was still judged more critically than what was deserved because of the color of his skin. And him pointing that out does not make him a race baiter.

Yeah? How many starting QBs get traded the year after they make the playoffs?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/02/athletes-racism-language-sports-cam-newton One of a thousand. How can one live in this society and not be at least proximally aware of this?

Mina Kims did a whole write up on this very topic while he was still the starting QB. Youre timeline is wrong.

Nm the mountain of statistical evidence that demonstrates that black athletes (and people) are judged more harshly than their white peers.

Yup. Tyrod Taylor, QB for Buffalo, one of the smallest media markets in the NFL, is for sure responsible for keeping racism alive.

I am all in on this approach. Especially when you consider that OL operates as a unit. It is not a plug and play thing. Guys need to learn to play together. Drafting and developing allows guys to grow as individual players and as a unit. The OL will not be "fixed" next year. It might be better, but it will take time. Lets do this right.

I will not let a loss affect my day. If I hadn't made that affirmative decision, I would be a total jerk. But I can't go so far down this rabbit hole that I start acting like a total jerk or let myself slip into a bad mood.