JoshAllenHasBigHands

For what its worth, I didn't have you in mind when I said this. I actually even considered adding a parenthetical, but because this wasn't your Zay Jones thread I didn't. You were not the one that said this, but it was said.

This is the best response.

For sure! I'd be through the roof if he made it. My comment was more about the presumption of his success and the suggestion we should drop one or two year starters to make room for Sills. People have literally suggested Zay may not make the team because of Sills. That is obviously silly.

There is just something about UDFA WRs man. Guys that aren't even worth a draft pick somehow become mortal locks to make the team.

Very good point! But, for what its worth, I really think Beane is the driving force behind personnel now. This is mostly based on the videos of the draft room, where it appears McDermott is more of a bystander than a participant.

Because they drafted the franchise QB. Aside from that, every other move has pretty much been a stop gap. They haven't made "their move" to build the offense (aside from Allen), and so the judgment hasn't begun. KB is the exception, but I don't think anyone thought it would go that bad.

If you think that the most important part of TEs play is their ability play receiver, you are going to hate Lee Smith. If you think TEs ability to block is as important, if not more, than you will love Lee Smith. Last time he was here, half the fan base wanted to see him cut. But he has never had a problem finding work, and always for more money than this fan base would expect. I have always thought that Lee Smith, and guys like him that are better blockers than anything else, are illustrative of just how much NFL fans do not understand the TE position. I think there is a perception that TEs are just tall receivers. But they aren't; they are so much more.

I think something that is being missed is that this signals Daboll's intention to commit to the deep passing game. Sure, Lee Smith is great for run blocking. But what I really see is that they are committed to having a lot of max-protection. This works with the run game, obviously, since it is mixed with play action. I really don't think having Lee Smith on the field signals a guaranteed run play.

In fairness, Lee Smith has always had a much bigger market than fans have appreciated.

Wow. A three year deal. That seems like a lot.

Is there ever a season where this (or the old BBMB) board thinks that the team will keep one or two more WRs then they actually do?

So really it is 1 garbage time touchdown. Got it.

That's fair. They could push Zay down the roster. He definitely will be on the team, but he could be pushed down. That said, those guys are still undrafted free agent, 99% of whom fail to even make the roster. Despite their special circumstances, there are guys every year that have similar special circumstances (Rogers, Striker, etc.) and despite fan hype, they still don't even make the team. The overwhelming odds are that is what will happen here.

I think he has some flaws, for sure. But he has made some great plays. He is our best zone receiver, and I think he runs above average results (like I said, perspective). He had drops, but they significantly decreased from year one to two. The tape is much kinder to Zay than you are representing, and I think that is validated by the fact that the Bills didn't even have WR as a need on their draft board. If you go in expecting him to be a WR1, you are going to be disappointed. My expectations are somewhere between WR2-3. I think he is right on point there.

It wasn't a very good explanation at all.

For what its worth, I think the negative arguments are super unpersuasive and obviously subject to extreme view point bias. Its just a matter of perspective.

And just about every instance of that happening was because the team already had an established franchise quarterback. Those teams didn’t have to do the hard work of clearing the dead cap and developing a new franchise quarterback. But sure, let’s just talk out of our ass.

I think they really like Daboll. I really think things would really have to fall apart for them to start firing people. However, firings are usually contexual. If the offense is the problem, maybe it will be Daboll. If its the defense, maybe Frazier.

They could, and who knows maybe they would Fire Daboll. But that would be the extent of it. Beane and McDermott have impressed me, and they have definitely impressed the Pegulas and people around the league. They are definitely not getting fired for a middling outcome.

You're missing the difference between what will happen and what you think should happen. In the event they go 8-8 or 9-7, neither will be fired. I think they shouldn't but reasonable minds can disagree. Your opinion on what you think should happen is an outlier, and certainly not representative of what will likely happen.

A lot of red flags in that group.

It took me 7 years to get out of Syracuse. I cringe even typing that. I am not exaggerating when I say the OP should do everything possible to avoid going there.

I mean, he was cut in the middle of the year last year. Its not that outside the realm of possibility. He had an awesome second half of the season, but for the rest of his professional and college career he has been an absolute no show. But yeah, if he continues on that torrid pace, he will see the field a ton. I just think his skill set is a little too similar to Brown. He is a bit duplicative. Zay's are unique to every other receiver on the roster.

Well, first, I think there will essentially be 3 receivers on the field at all times. Brown will probably get 90%, Beasley 75%, and Foster will get about 50-75%. That leaves about 50% plus snaps for Zay. I tend to think Zay will see the field more than Foster, but that is because I don’t think Foster has the skills to be any thing than a one trick deep threat. That may change though.

Lol. Not for nothing, but you have put a lot of good work into this thread. You have probably made it the most enjoyable on this board. You are definitely wrong. Zay will be on the team. He will get more than 50% of snaps. And I’ll be all in letting you know how wrong you were. But I respect the hell out of the work you put in here. Props man.