JoshAllenHasBigHands

That is such a generic interpretation of what happened the last two weeks. That is the equivalent of not understanding defense beyond teams play 3-4 v. 4-3 or zone v. man. There is just so much more that goes into it.

Just about every pre-game analysis I read leading up to the game was analysis as to how Vrabel has not followed BB's footsteps and has instead adopted the Ravens model of defense.

This is the correct answer. Why anyone would want to take a step back is beyond me. You need to pass to win in this league.

I thought this too. I genuinely though that the tide had turned and that JA had started to settle in.

You have to be cleared by the Bills and then the independent neurologists. But they aren't performing different tests, so the Bills' neurologist will (or at least should) know beforehand if JA will clear the independent neurologist. The Bills can not submit JA to the independent neurologist immediately, even though he already cleared the Bill's neurologist. Do you folllow?

I would legitimately struggle with the concentration test under any circumstance.

Is that what you took away from what I wrote? I was going for just the opposite. I feel like in all my posts on this thread I acknowledged that he is inconsistent with this footwork (less so than in college), but that the Pats game was a giant leap back but it was also just one game.

Here is the thing. The Bills do not have to rush him to stage 5. Theoretically, he could have cleared all the tests with the teams physicians--they will know if he will pass with the independent physician. They may be keeping him in the protocol until the last moment, just to keep Ten guessing. I'm 90% certain that Morse was ready long before they actually took him out of the protocol, just because they were in no rush to have the independent physician evaluate him. Edit: Marcel Louis-Jacques just said the same thing on Twitter just as I was typing my post. That is wild timing.

The reasons are mechanics and decision making. My point is he is more consistent with his footwork. He does have steps back, but he is better than when he was at Wyoming. In his last season at Wyoming, JA had two games with grater than 60% completion percentage. This year, he has done that in three games. That is progression. I'm not really concerned about the Pats game. It was a HUGE step back, but when you show progress through three weeks, it is more likely than not the step back is temporary. A really good example of what he is doing for the first time is that JA can now hit receivers before they make their break. That never happened at Wyoming and it didn't happen last year. EJ never did it, and TT never did it. That is a strong indication he can get there. I'm not sure if you are a podcast guy, but if you are, check out Nick and Nolan. Just a great breakdown of this, and especially why JA is already miles ahead of where past QBs are. Alternatively, CinciJungle and PatsPulpit did a good breakdown of this. This is where I am at. Here is the thing, based on his growth rate, there is no reason he can't be there by the end of this year. I don't care about other QBs. When JA was drafted, we all knew that he was rawer than the average QB. He wasn't going to burn down the house his first year. He wasn't even going to do it his second year. Thats just the pill we had to swallow. But in this situation, the point is to see a continuous upward trajectory. As long as that continues, I'm all in. The Pats game, that sucked, but they have the best D in the league. It'd be silly to think that would end differently. If keeps doing it, we have a problem. But I don't think he will.

His mechanics are a work in progress. They are inconsistent. They are, however, more consistent than they were in college. I watched as many Wyoming games as I could after we drafted him. I even followed his last season at Wyoming, just because he was billed as a top-tier quarterback. I could not believe how a guy that bad could be considered a top-tier quarterback. Josh Allen this year is far better than Josh Allen back then. Again, for the reasons I stated. Is he still a work in progress? Absolutely. Has he made considerable progress? Absolutely. Those things can both be true. I just don't think this can be disputed based on his completion percentage, if nothing else. As far as turnovers, you are right. But I don't think it is about the wins. I was through the moon all the way through the Jets games, even when I thought they were going to lose. Those turnovers were fluky. There were not his classic bonehead turnovers (like he did against the Pats). I felt the same way during the Bengals and Giants game. And Jrb, I have no idea what you mean by "average." He was literally perfectly average in every statistical category (aside from the fluky Jets turnovers) for those first three games, and then made a couple exceptional plays that make him who he is.

Mechanics and decision making. The other stuff flows from there. At Wyoming he couldn't get past his first read. This year, with the exception of last week, he has for the first time begun making reads and going through progressions. Same thing with mechanics. There are times were reverts to old habits, but his mechanics have taken a big leap forward. At Wyoming he was just a non stop mess.

That is about as nit picky as it gets. The poster above is right, you are the classic example of looking for evidence you are right. The fact that Allen is already night and day a different passer from when he was in College is evidence enough. Sure, he may not end up being good enough, but to say he is the same guy from college is just absurd.

You have to get yards to get points. You are also missing that guys were open, even before the blitz arrived. Dabol made adjustments, i.e. throwing the ball to Yeldon. And it worked. We had drives stall, but the problem wasn't play call.

Dabol got us 400 yards of offense against the best defense in the league. On top of that, even a cursory review of the film reveals there were people running open all over the field. Dabol did his job. Allen needed to execute. He didn't, and that is ok because he should learn. But Dabol is not the problem.

This is a super knee jerk analysis. Outside of the pats game, this is not an accurate scouting of JA thus far.

That was my thought too. My real question is why is Yeldon responsible for Van Noy??? That would have been a tough assignment.

Either someone didn't know their assignment or the protection was incorrectly called. He went inside with a purpose; he clearly was under the impression that was his job on the play. He may have though Yeldon was going to take the blitz, which apparently Yeldon did not know.

The worst part about engaging with you is how smart you think you are. It’s tough to watch. It’s like watching EJ play QB. Sure, he felt like the franchise qb, but everyone around him knew he was a tire fire. Watching you post is like watching a tire fire. Im not arrogant enough to think I’ve never had varying opinions. I’m willing to have my mind changed. I’m not a draft guy, so I don’t post a lot about it, and really don’t remember when I do. I couldn’t rule out I had a negative take, but watching him in action, the dude can ball. I was apathetic predraft. Also, you look up my post history? Very troubling stuff guy.

I mis-remembered something, and said "my bad" when Gunner pointed that out to me. I didn't even fight it. This seems like alot of trouble for a simple mistake. Its weird that you even remembered it.

Yeah, but you also said he should be an OLB. At the end of the day, anyone who is wise enough to look at more than just stats knows Edmunds is a top-10 LB. At his age, there can be no doubt he will be top-5.

Did I ever say I didn't like Ed Oliver? I might have, I definitely didn't think he was a guarantee, but it wasn't something I was so convinced of I was making a point of it on this board. But, I've had no complaints since the season started.

This is right. He is a one-read, quick throw quarterback. If that throw isn't there, he becomes very ineffective. When you blitz, that read ends up being open. Thus, the success. I think he is susceptible to corner blitzes though. In any event, the more guys in coverage, the better.

Its actually stage 4. He is all but cleared to play...

its not heavy feet. Its technique. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/9/18/20871492/all-22-analysis-ty-nsekhe-vs-cody-ford-buffalo-bills-new-york-giants

Maybe, maybe not. 4 regular games is not enough to write a guy off at a position. And that is by any definition. Just to add to this, check out BR all-22 on him. His problem is his technique, not his physical ability. That is an issue that can be coached up. He can get better. However, he is definitely an awesome guard. Speed rushes are his only flaw, and at guard he doesn't have to deal with that. He is still more than worth a 2nd round pick.