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The thing that surprised me was all the drops. I lost count of how many times Packers receivers had us beat and just couldn't hang onto the ball. We compounded the issue by dropping a couple of sure fire INTs. This game should have been over at halftime.

Jets seem to be going through the same thing right now with Darnold. I disagree we've played four SB contenders though. Ravens look good. Chargers have been mostly average outside of against us. Minny was super banged up. Rodgers is playing on one leg, and their defense is middling at best. Washington took them apart last week. I don't think you can just ignore performances like the one Allen had today, and chalk it up to being a rookie. Yes it's a learning experience, but it still happened. And it was really, really ugly.

There are scenarios where it may be in our best interest to take a guy in the first round, or even first overall if that's our fate. We don't know yet, and that's the point. This will all become more obvious after the season when we have better information.

I don't think we should be afraid to draft another QB if Allen doesn't look like he's developing. That said, you don't take one just to take one. It has to be a guy you believe in. But the idea that Allen needs at least two years before you know is antiquated thinking IMO. Sometimes you can just tell a kid probably isn't going to get there. 15 games might not be enough to say one way or another. We'll have a better idea after the season, but we shouldn't be closing our minds to options just because we hope we might have our guy. That's bad decision making 101.

This. Maybe that's Allen, maybe he isn't. If he doesn't develop like McBeane had hoped, I hope they have the guts to take another one if the right guy is available. We can use all the help we can get with the online and WR groups though. They're awful.

I don't think it's so much about the record but the manner in which the games have played out. We've been blown out and looked terrible in the three of the four games. The Vikings game looks like an aberration at this point. Also, this season was always going to be largely about the development of our young players. Today Allen proved his doubters have legitimate reason to be concerned. His ceiling might still be high but his floor is really, really low. It's troubling.

Second half thread got locked, but to answer your question...No I don't think this team is going anywhere this year, but you need a team to win. There is no team if guys all lose faith in the process because the QB is sometimes beyond terrible to the point where you can't trust him. Games like this one contribute to that. They've now seen first hand just how ugly it can get with Josh under center. This can't happen again, or at least not in the manner it did. This has to be the low point for him. I said the same thing about Peterman when he threw five picks, and this game wasn't much better. The second time Peterman tanked a game his career was over. You just can't do your teammates like that, regardless of what position you play or where you were drafted.

No. I was hoping and praying Baker or Darnold would fall to us. After they didn't I would have just kept the picks. I might have taken Lamar Jackson with our late first. That said, we took Allen and I'm happy to support him. This performance is unsupportable though. He has to be better than this. It can't be a case where we completely tank games in the name of his development.

Sure there's blame to go around, but Allen was by far the biggest offender out there. We couldn't even move the ball. He was missing protections. Missing free rushers. Bad pocket presence, running backwards into sacks. Air mailing receivers. Unable to identify open receivers. Both INTs were his fault. It was a really, really bad day for him. The fact his floor can be that low is disconcerting.

Says the guy with "sixpack" in his name lol. I don't drink. Again, playing badly and losing is one thing. The issue is he completely tanked the game, and he did it against a very average defense. A lot of it was just unforced errors on his part. It's not a great sign, that's all I'm saying. Hope he turns it around.

I don't think so. Playing this badly against a middling defense is not a god sign. Hopefully he turns a corner next week.

Again, I was just responding to another poster who compared them. We don't need to compare Allen to anyone to know this game is a really bad sign, regardless of where we are in the process. It's not that he had a bad game. It's that he tanked the game for the whole team, start to finish.

I'm not trying to compare them, just responding to another poster who did. Allen doesn't need to be compared to anyone to understand that he's been miserable today. It's still very early in the process but games like this are a really bad sign. It would be for any young QB. I don't think that's all that controversial.

The difference is Rodgers missed a couple of blitzes. Allen has missed like ten. Sometimes you're going to miss them. Give credit to the defense. But Rodgers is still making plays on one leg. They've put up 19 points and over 370 yards (and counting). We've barely been able to move the ball, and that isn't all on the oline and WRs. I think it's ok to be disappointed by our rookie QB whom we traded the farm for. He looks worse than bad right now. He looks like he doesn't know what he's doing which is scary.

I agree it's a really bad habit that needs to be broken.

He's also thrown for 250 yards.

I expect him to do something. He's just making mistake after mistake out there. Bad pre-snap reads. No feel for the rush or his oline. Not seeing open receivers. Missing open receivers. Missing covered receivers by 10-15 yards. Taking bad sacks. Running into bad sacks. If we had a real back up he'd have been pulled already.

They've definitely had a bunch of drops today. The score should be much worse than it is. I don't think you can blame today's result on the WRs. Allen isn't giving them a chance.

It's the QB's responsibility to diagnose unblocked rushers and adjust protection. Or if he misses them, he has to be aware enough to see that right away and get rid of the ball. Allen did neither there. He doesn't see the field.

That sack is 100% on Allen. He has no idea where the rush is coming from. Put Peterman in. Allen is killing us.

If Allen can't move the ball here it might be time to cut bait next possession even just for a change of pace. Maybe Peterman can give us a spark.

Thank goodness these Packers WRs are so bad. Worse than ours. Yet somehow they still move the ball. Wonder why.

Allen is going to get one of his WRs killed at some point. Geez.

They're definitely not helping the situation. Neither is the line. But Allen is the biggest problem today by far. He's playing like a rookie who doesn't belong on the field. If he's a true gamer he'll bounce back in the second half. Can't just come completely unglued like this. He's missing receivers by 10-15 yards!

It's a joke dude. But seriously, he's been awful so far. Needs to be more accurate if we have any chance to win.