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If this is directed at me I'm not pretending that. Implicit in the scenario described above is that we wouldn't have scored with the 80+ seconds or so left after kickoff return.

No one is trashing Lamar? Have you read this thread? Your second paragraph is a strawman argument. 2x MVP Lamar Jackson needed Henry to improve his level of play?? C'mon. Had Andrews caught the conversion and Ravens beaten us in OT, we could just as easily point to our inability to punch it in from the 2 which cost us the game. See how easy that is?

Again, it was 7-7 when Lamar fumbled, and he did it on our 28 yard line. It was somewhat unlucky for them that a) they didn't recover, and b) Von returned it 40 yards. Even still, that happened at the top of the 2nd quarter. It was hardly what cost them the game.

You're living in a bad dream of your own making. There are few, if any, media that would call Josh a choker. If anything, media are discounting Bills because they think Josh is carrying a weak roster year after year. Any naysayers were drowned out long ago.

I disagree with most of this. I can't say that about most QBs (more like very few). Lamar was good early outside of the turnovers and it wasn't because of Henry who had drops. The two turnovers weren't what ultimately cost them the game - they were part of what cost them but there were many mistakes made by Ravens and it was still 7-7 after the second TOV with 70+ yards to go. Josh would've been given the same treatment by media if the roles were reversed because ultimately it wasn't Lamar's fault. This entire thread outside of OP is overcompensation for the fact there was an MVP debate. People are too caught up in looking for any excuse to trash Lamar as a way to prop up Josh.

It just dawned on me that we might get a chance to avenge XXVI. Perhaps not as meaningful as beating the Chiefs but I certainly haven't forgot.

Turning it over twice was tough, but outside of those plays he was excellent. He finished with a higher QB rating and QBR than Josh despite the turnovers. He overcame numerous mistakes from his teammates, the likes of which would have been castigated if it had been Josh's teammates to the point where most of the responsibility for the loss would've been placed at their feet instead of Josh's if the roles were reversed. Lamar bears some responsibility for the loss, yes. Mostly he was fantastic though and the main reason they had a chance.

I liked OP and so I responded favourably to Lamar. He was good yesterday! It is not his fault Ravens lost. He had two turnovers yes, one of which was his fault and the other was tough with the bad snap and extreme cold. Outside of those two plays, he was outstanding, responsible for way more drive extending plays than Josh, way more explosive plays than Josh, and he did it even though his teammates kept dropping and fumbling the ball. Tip your hat to a worthy adversary. That's what this thread should have been. Instead, it's all insecurity and bad faith arguments and downvoting people complimenting Lamar. Fo shame.

Not after yesterday

I think if the roles were reversed we'd have legions of fans in here swearing on their first born's life that Josh outplayed Lamar and was just unlucky with all the drops and a fluky bad snap fumble. Go back and read post after post during the 2023 season.

I just think it’s funny people around these parts who in the past hand waved Bills turnovers and pointed to drops and the occasional bad play calling as a way to what if their way through convos about who was the better team/QB are now steadfast that Bills were the better team despite getting badly outplayed on both sides except for the turnovers. Bills played mistake free and we won. Ultimately, we were lucky to win, and we’ll need to be much better if we want to win next week.

Ravens outplayed us but we won the turnover battle, and in the end that's what matters. Andrews is a fraud.

Give him his flowers. He outplayed Josh in the biggest game of the season and lost.

Disagree. We could win or lose this game and unless it's one-sided against in terms of coaching, it won't make a difference. Ravens are favoured on the road for a reason. McD needs to outcoach Reid in a playoff W. That will put him on a level that's harder to (harshly) criticize (as many have done here).

We're not even going to try to run the ball vs. Ravens like we did vs. Broncos. This game will look more like the Titans, Chiefs, and Dolphins games where we spread them out and play pitch and catch. Good luck covering us now that we have healthy receivers. All we have to do is not play 6 in the box vs. Lamar and Henry again and we should be good.

Probably zero

I was one of the people on the fence about this deal when it was signed, and not because I didn’t like Brown. It was more about opportunity cost of re-signing other players (e.g. Benford, Bernard, Rousseau, WR, etc.). I was dead wrong.

I think we offer him a two year guarantee at franchise rates and if he doesn't take that then we wait and franchise him or cut/trade him if he pouts. Cook is a really good RB. It isn't just because we have a good line.

McD saw this post and directly went to thank Matt Milano.

Great game cap by the defense. They were really good today, especially Milano. Edit: I will say it's very Billsy to be trying to intercept that on 4th and 17 and still drop it.

On to the Ravens

We really need to prioritize re-signing Ty Johnson

Lewis putting his neck on the line to win...literally

Von so close...again

This drive reminds me a little of Detroit when we went up big end of 3rd.