VW82
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If Josh was a regular QB and we didn’t know any better, we’d be calling for his back up right now.
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We’re little and very vulnerable. Hopefully the refs will at least respect our feelings.
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We’re still so small. Jets are just bigger and tougher than we are.
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Josh is single-handed my keeping Jets in this game. Awful decisions in big spots.
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Oline still can’t block but Josh has had some head scratchers too. Ugly start.
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I love our first three picks. Kincaid will seem like a luxury pick to anyone not paying attention but he's a potential fit/band aid to a bunch of our problems (e.g. OLine protection, size at receiver, slot post Beas, end zone weapon, etc.). O'Cyrus and Williams were need picks but there's nothing to suggest they won't be productive based on their history.
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Kincaid is the key along with how he gets used. Running more 12 personnel might help with our line issues, and if Kincaid can also be an answer in the slot then we might bring an added element of toughness that was missing the last few years outside of Josh strong man runs.
We need Diggs to not drop off (he's turning 30) and for our Oline to not suck as bad. It'd be nice if Cook made a leap too. Offense needs to do the heavy lifting this year because the defense is looking a little soft.
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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
It’s pretty amazing how people can take continuity and spin it as a negative
There has been no follow off as of yet from any of these veteran players to count on that fall off as well not good
Continuity can be really good. It's one of the reasons I was so high on this team the last coulple years. But we might be getting close with some of these guys.
Diggs will be 30 this year.
Milano 29
Poyer 32
Hyde 33
White 28
Von 34
DaQuan Jones 32
Morse 31
Dawkins 29
Outside of Josh, these are our key guys.
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10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
This is the most talented roster. The bills have had in a decade.
We're going into year 5/6 with the core group. That's a long time together. It looks good on paper but there are big holes, and sometimes when you're that number of years in guys who you're penciling in to be what they were just aren't all of a sudden. Hopefully that's not us. Edit: I include McD in this
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I think there's a good chance we won't be as good as the last three years.
Defense is poised to take a step back. Losing Edmunds hurts. Von being hurt hurts. Our biggest weapon has been our secondary. Tre might be better in year 2 but Hyde and Poyer are getting up there. The drop off will come eventually.
Dabol was a big part of our success. So was Josh who should be healed and better, but it remains to be seen if the rest of the offense will be. Kincaid will help but rookies usually take time, especially TEs.
We're still the best bet to win the division, but it will be much tougher this season.
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There are certain guys you can bring and have them be day one starters. O'Cyrus looks like that type of player.
Dorian flashes but he looks raw. Edmunds was similarly raw but we weren't really playing for anything five years ago. MLB is a really important part of any NFL defense let alone McD's. It makes sense to start someone like Klein while young guys like Williams and Bernard (ha) learn.
This is an instance where I trust McD, and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Williams step up later in the year once he gets the hang of what we're trying to do. Cook made a similar mini leap second half of last year.
Also, and not to derail the thread, but Elam looks lost despite lots of hand holding. Some guys never get it. Too much, too soon is a real thing for some of these kids.
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Not gonna sugarcoat it - this sucks. The fact that McD is "very concerned" after supposedly having meetings with Steph the last couple days is troublesome to say the least.
Him and Josh going from besties to whatever they are now isn't great either. You don't have to be best friends to play well together, but if there's been a relationship breakdown that can absolutely impact performance. Those guys need to be able to trust each other on the field and not let emotions get in the way.
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This is cool but if Josh so much as sprains a finger I'm blaming it on Madden. They think they can derail our season. Not gonna happen.
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Their discussion about who the alpha is in the relationship is stupid. Their discussion about less time playing football leading to more injuries when the bullets are flying is interesting. I wonder if anyone has done a missed OTAs vs. injury in training camp study. I bet there's a signal.
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I'm super bullish on our offense. Completely agree with OPer and a bunch of other good posts itt for all the reasons mentioned (Kinkaid, improved OL, etc.)
I'd add that Josh will presumably be healthy all year because he's a tank.
Kinkaid odds for OROY are currently +4000 on fanduel. If you aren't a believer in this crop of QBs, that's a nice little payout for a guy who should do a lot of damage given our embassment of skill player riches on offense.
Also, between Torrence and Kinkaid, I immediately feel A LOT better about Spencer Brown. The top of our draft was all Touchdown.
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Our Dline isn't the problem. We have an abundance of talent there. Our issue is we don't have a back up 1-tech if DaQuan gets hurt and we don't have a classic Mike to shore up the run d. This is only a problem vs teams who can both run and pass (e.g. Bengals, historically Pats). You can't have everything.
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The results of the poll are probably accurate. Kincaid is so far beyond Davis in terms of talent that defenses will be forced to double team him in addition to shading extra defenders on Diggs. Davis will be so wide open that Josh will have no choice but to prioritize him when it comes to targets.
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4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
If the goal isn't to win the Super Bowl in 2023, you have the wrong goal. It's not pessimistic to expect a rookie TE to need 3 years, it's close to best case scenario.
Teams draft piles of tight ends every year, and there's only ever a handful of good ones in the league at any given time and there's been even less elite ones over the last 20+ years. Expecting Kincaid to be an all-star just because he was one of the top TE's this year is what every team hopes when they draft players like Hayden Hurst, OJ Howard, Hunter Henry, Maxx Williams, Eric Ebron, Coby Fleener and on and on.
Look at this list of people you barely remember and realize that trying to draft an elite TE is about as hard as drafting a franchise QB: http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/teI don't think he's just a TE. He's a TE/slot/WR. He's not like other players. Maybe he'll flat out bust because he isn't good enough in any of those roles. I doubt it. His tape is very convincing.
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12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
If he does that, he'll be one of a couple of guys in the last 20 years to have done it. You're banking on winning the lottery with a guy who was not an elite level prospect despite being near the top of the class. This isn't Kyle Pitts or Vernon Davis. He's an undersized and relatively slow TE that doesn't have a TE1 skillset.
Again, maybe he's great in a few years, but I'm seeing 40 catches for 450 yards and 4 TDs as his likely 2023 output.Maybe that will be his rookie output. No one knows for sure. Knock him all you want but Kincaid was thought to be the top pass catcher in the draft and he certainly plays fast. We need a receiving threat who can take pressure off Diggs. Kincaid actually has the talent to do that. It's not going to take three years either. That's ridiculously pessimistic.
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2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Like I said, he may be a top end talent, but it's highly, highly unlikely he'll be a top-end contributor year 1 for the reasons I stated in addition to the learning curve of being a TE in the NFL or even the WR learning curve. He's goign to have a niche role. For 2023, we would have been better served by getting a player who could have filled that role plus a full time job. Over the long haul, who knows. Maybe he becomes a stud, probably not, but maybe.
Totally disagree. He not only has a chance to become a big time contributor this year that gets lined up all over the place, but when drafting, especially in the 1st round, it pays to go after the guys you think will turn into pro bowlers and not just need players for the next while.
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18 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
We've brought in a plethora of people that will likely be part-time contributors in 2023 including Harty, Harris, and now Kincaid but we're still lacking top end talent.
I'll leave the other stuff alone for now but much of the optimism for Bills is about Kincaid. A lot of smart football people had him as a top 10-15 prospect and ahead of all the receivers. This kid screams top end talent. We improved the OL with OCT who looks like a day one starter. Offense got better.
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The offense got better. Josh getting to play in the postseason without a sprained UCL will automatically make us better.
I don't think we've solved anything wrt stopping teams who can both pass and run. If we're beating the Bengals, it's because we're just outscoring them like we tried to with KC two years ago.
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This notion that we "reached" on Williams or didn't get value from our 3rd is BS. Go find me the guy who was going to give us tremendous value in that spot. Williams was picked about where he was slated to get picked.
Williams probably isn't going to start year one. There were no MLBs who were going to start year one when we picked. All the other starting positions are taken, so you're looking at depth regardless of who you pick. Why is Williams a worse long-term prospect than whoever else you might've liked? He's extremely fast, physical, and productive. The notion that all this kid will ever be is ST is nonsense.
idc if you think another team had a better draft. Bills had a good draft and Williams has every chance to turn out to be a good pick.
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When DaQuan got hurt, we had no chance. I loved the Pat Williams and Ted Washington era with London and Takeo Spikes wreaking havoc. I'd settle for a back up 1 tech if not an upgrade.
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It’s the twilight zone. We’re back to square one. Josh is a rookie and has forgotten everything he knows. WTH is happening!!???