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Of course we were. We had Josh on a rookie contract. His cap hit next year is 56M. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

Ok well how about "compete for a SB this year while preserving our ability to compete for a SB next year and the year after." I might be giving "people who want a more sophisticated passing offense" too much credit. For starters, we already had that, and we became a more productive overall offense in year by moving away from that to more of a ball control offense despite arguably not having the right personnel to do so. Now we do have the right personnel for the latter as well as an OC who wants to run that kind of offense, and yet fans still want to go back to something that didn't work as well under previous leadership. But even if you want to argue that was all on Dorsey and point to the success we had under Daboll, the reality is we have Brady who has the trust of the FO and isn't going to run that stuff regardless of who we bring in. Others have pointed out we made calls for #1s. I understand why we did that - Keon isn't getting better. Hopefully, we're able to find an affordable alternative in the offseason either via draft or trade when we have more opportunities to make it work under the cap. In season trades are tough. Best outcome is usually someone like washed up Cooper who you burn a valuable pick for. Shaheed would've been a complimentary piece for us that doesn't move the needle. So yeah...pining for "more wr weapons" and "more sophisticated passing offense" feels a lot like missing the point of where we were, how we evolved to this point, and who's still in charge running the show.

If the goal was to win a SB this year at all costs then we'd have mortgaged the future for Hoecht and Oliver replacements. The subtext is fans want to see Allen throw the ball more, and possibly that they don't understand you can't win a SB without a balanced roster.

You've constructed two false dichotomies here: 1. WR targets being result of scheme vs. talent (i.e. what about injuries, or TEs/RBs operating as WRs???); 2. (presumably) that we need more WR targets/production to win at the highest levels. I reject both premises. Further, I'd argue that that if our goal was to mortgage the future to win this year, we'd have sold out to replace Hoecht and Oliver. Those injuries are devastating to our SB chances, and yet no one is really talking about them which to me says a lot about priorities of the "moar wr talent" crowd.

I'm not even sure Shaheed is better than the guys we already have on the roster, and all this talk of him expanding his route tree reminds me of what we said about Gabe Davis once upon a time. Maybe I'll be wrong and he'll turn out to be a legit threat that does way more than run a go route, and our WRs will get worse and worse and we'll lose in the playoffs because Kincaid will be injured and teams will run eight man boxes and Josh will take sack after sack because he just doesn't trust anyone to get open...but right now I can't get to that level of chicken little. This group still looks better to me than what fans are claiming.

I'd also suggest that the price was probably higher for us. We paid a 3rd last year for a washed up Cooper. Trading for another rental would signal just how desperate we are, and the seller is always going to take advantage of that. Also, as good as Seattle looks today, odds would suggest Bills are a better bet to go further in the playoffs, therefore making our pick(s) worth less. We would've been on the hook for at least another 3rd. I get that to many here that's a pittance for an additional 3% shot at a SB, but it's worth noting imo.

We're going to get Palmer back as early as this week. We've yet to really incorporate Cook in the passing game even though he's mroe than capable. Kincaid is now playing 2/3rds of his snaps either in the slot or as a boundary WR. Our TE group as a whole benefits from being dual threat. The passing offense is going to be fine. The subtext of these WR criticisms is some (Josh>Bills) fans are perfectly happy to live in a world where Josh puts up a lot of fantasy points but the Bills lose and they can blame Sean, Beane, and everyone else for letting Josh down. An offense where Cook is occasionally the best player or a team where the defense sometimes bails out the offense is the worst outcome for these "fans" because Josh doesn't get to be the hero / doesn't get all the credit.

Bills can win a SB without Josh needing to play like a superhero 100% of the time. This isn't binary. QB is most important but no QB can or ever will win SB by themselves. Many team based perspectives need to be considered, including future iterations of Josh-led Bills.

No, he's not right. No one is saying Josh isn't a unique talent, but to frame it as about Josh's legacy is what's moronic if you're actually a Bills fan. This is about the BILLS, not just Josh. We don't know what was offered and what wasn't. Maybe doing nothing was the correct decision in this case. But acting like we desperately needed to do something through the lens of Josh being better than Phil Rivers is beyond stupid.

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. Hard to know for sure in the moment. But making the situation about Allen and his legacy definitely sheds light on that poster’s priorities.

Typical LeBron fan response caring more about how a player is perceived than what’s best for the team.

Honestly, I’m glad. Beane got extended and has job security. He could’ve panicked and he didn’t. These guys believe in the people in the building, and as fans we should too. There’s way too much negative Nancy vibes when it comes to our existing talent base. This also confirms positive prognosis on some of our Dline imo. TJ and Daquan will be heard from again.

Romo says two well coached teams...

Coverage sack. Amazing. D is winning this one for us.

Oh wow sure looked like that was tipped edit: yup definitely tipped