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He's still useful as a mismatch receiving TE but as others have said he isn't the best fit as an every down player in our run packages that we love so much. It'll be interesting to see what we do as far as extension when the time comes. In the meantime, I doubt we cut Knox, cap savings or not.

Have we discussed whether this current stretch by Brown is the best by a Bills RT in franchise history? I think it needs to be considered. Other candidates: Ballard (pick your year) Peters (that first year before he moved to LT) Big Mike (lol) Anyone I'm forgetting?

Or maybe he watched tape of Hamlin not being able to cover all year and knew he had a better than average chance and made a great throw...who can say?...but according to some you'd be the only one on the internet making that kind of argument. Bad Lamar. Bad.

I don't know about unanimous MVP but Josh probably should've been MVP. Of course the turnovers are part of it. But to the same point that Bills didn't win games in 2023 despite Josh's turnovers, the Ravens didn't lose or wouldn't have won or whatever despite Lamar's turnovers. At some point, a guy makes enough briliant plays over the course of a game that he renders said turnovers to be a minor point in consideration of his overall brilliance. No one should understand that better than Bills fans!

Ok well I disagree. I'm quite certain posters are trashing Lamar to prop up Allen. Having Henry definitely helped the Ravens. I'd argue Lamar improved as a passer for some of the same reasons Josh improved as a passer; mainly, he's a little older, a little more experienced, and is in the prime of his career. Once again, we're taking credit away from a great player. Why is that? See first point.

I still have issue with the framing here. If it had been all Henry or great catches on poorly placed balls or trick plays or, or...that helped Ravens get back in it and won then sure. But it was Lamar's brilliance before and after those turnovers that kept them in it. He was EASILY the best player in the game outside of his two turnovers .

If this is directed at me I'm not pretending that. Implicit in the scenario described above is that we wouldn't have scored with the 80+ seconds or so left after kickoff return.

No one is trashing Lamar? Have you read this thread? Your second paragraph is a strawman argument. 2x MVP Lamar Jackson needed Henry to improve his level of play?? C'mon. Had Andrews caught the conversion and Ravens beaten us in OT, we could just as easily point to our inability to punch it in from the 2 which cost us the game. See how easy that is?

Again, it was 7-7 when Lamar fumbled, and he did it on our 28 yard line. It was somewhat unlucky for them that a) they didn't recover, and b) Von returned it 40 yards. Even still, that happened at the top of the 2nd quarter. It was hardly what cost them the game.

You're living in a bad dream of your own making. There are few, if any, media that would call Josh a choker. If anything, media are discounting Bills because they think Josh is carrying a weak roster year after year. Any naysayers were drowned out long ago.

I disagree with most of this. I can't say that about most QBs (more like very few). Lamar was good early outside of the turnovers and it wasn't because of Henry who had drops. The two turnovers weren't what ultimately cost them the game - they were part of what cost them but there were many mistakes made by Ravens and it was still 7-7 after the second TOV with 70+ yards to go. Josh would've been given the same treatment by media if the roles were reversed because ultimately it wasn't Lamar's fault. This entire thread outside of OP is overcompensation for the fact there was an MVP debate. People are too caught up in looking for any excuse to trash Lamar as a way to prop up Josh.

It just dawned on me that we might get a chance to avenge XXVI. Perhaps not as meaningful as beating the Chiefs but I certainly haven't forgot.

Turning it over twice was tough, but outside of those plays he was excellent. He finished with a higher QB rating and QBR than Josh despite the turnovers. He overcame numerous mistakes from his teammates, the likes of which would have been castigated if it had been Josh's teammates to the point where most of the responsibility for the loss would've been placed at their feet instead of Josh's if the roles were reversed. Lamar bears some responsibility for the loss, yes. Mostly he was fantastic though and the main reason they had a chance.

I liked OP and so I responded favourably to Lamar. He was good yesterday! It is not his fault Ravens lost. He had two turnovers yes, one of which was his fault and the other was tough with the bad snap and extreme cold. Outside of those two plays, he was outstanding, responsible for way more drive extending plays than Josh, way more explosive plays than Josh, and he did it even though his teammates kept dropping and fumbling the ball. Tip your hat to a worthy adversary. That's what this thread should have been. Instead, it's all insecurity and bad faith arguments and downvoting people complimenting Lamar. Fo shame.

Not after yesterday