PetermansRedemption

So, you turned $100 into $50,000 on Apple? Pretty great return.

So, your argument for drafting a RB is to include two top running backs and leave out the countless flame outs or mediocre backs ?. Seems solid

My draft crush was Josh Allen in 2018. In 2019 it was DK Metcalf. I would have taken him at 9 if Oliver wasn’t there. Given how things shaped up I would have ran to the podium in the second round to grab him. I said it at draft time, even if your first year plan for DK was to tell him to run straight a few times a game and chuck the 50/50 ball to him, ok. Add in a few screens as well.

Taysum Hill seems like someone who should be able to game plan to stop. Yet no one is able to. He must be super good.

How did the Vikings not stop that? Brees stares down Hill from pre-snap when he put him in motion.

A lot of people have been using that same line in this thread. “It is has happened a ton of times this year.” I am still waiting on even one actual example. Just because you think you have seen that exact play, doesn’t mean you have. Maybe it’s because you weren’t watching for it. But now you will. And you will see. Every single kick returner knows for take a knee or not touch the ball. It’s a simple play that isn’t paid attention to because it’s always done right.

Is it the correct call? I’ll have to look up the NFL rule when I have some time, but I’m not sure it was. Sure looked like Ford was blocking a guy who saw him coming and adjusted his body position accordingly. Ford also didn’t leave his feet or target the head/neck area. Seemed more like a block working down the line rather than an illegal crack back block. They are not the same thing. It’s absolutely legal to work back and block if it is done within the rules. Edit: Found the rule. Sure doesn’t sound like it should have been called in this instance. Fords block looks to fall into “(b) he approaches the opponent from behind or from the side. Note: If the near shoulder of the blocker contacts the front of his opponent’s body, the “peel back” block is legal.” CRACKBACK (ILLEGAL) Article 11 At the snap, an offensive player who is aligned in a position more than two yards laterally outside an offensive tackle, or a player who is in a backfield position at the snap and then moves to a position more than two yards laterally outside a tackle, may not clip an opponent anywhere, nor may he contact an opponent below the waist if the blocker is moving toward the position where the ball was snapped from, and the contact occurs within an area five yards on either side of the line of scrimmage. Note 1: A player aligned more than two yards laterally outside a tackle at the snap is designated as being flexed. Note 2: If runner (passer) scrambles on the play, significantly changing the original direction (broken play), the crackback block is legal. Penalty: Illegal crackback block: Loss of 15 yards. A.R. 12.20 Second-and-10 on A40. Flanker A1 sets up five yards outside of offensive tackle A2. At the snap, A1 comes back and crackback blocks B1. Contact is made at the A38 behind the offensive tackle’s original position. Runner goes to 50. Ruling: A’s ball second-and-25 on A25. Illegal crackback block. Penalize from previous spot. ILLEGAL PEEL BACK BLOCK (a) the blocker is moving toward his own end line; and (b) he approaches the opponent from behind or from the side. Note: If the near shoulder of the blocker contacts the front of his opponent’s body, the “peel back” block is legal. Penalty: For illegal “peel back” block: Loss of 15 yards.

On that same note. Being 23rd in the NFL in offense isn’t going to get it done. Need to average more than the 19 or so points per game they did this season to be successful in today’s NFL.

I’m not sure any reasonable fan is saying to tear it down. Some good pieces to build upon on this team. Good season to build upon. But everyone has a real reason to be pissed tonight. Conservative coaching/play calling, Allen falling apart, running Gore far too much, defense completely collapsing, BS penalties and rulings (that TD on the kickoff), blowing a 16-0 lead, probably some more I a missing. Take your pick. Not much to be optimistic about with that collapse.

This, right here, needs to be pinned to the first post. I can’t find much to refute this post. Pretty much my exact understanding of the play as well. Most certainly. This game isn’t based on intentions. Blow a QB’s fumble dead because he “intended” to throw it forward for a forward pass? Blow a runners fumble dead because he “intended” to take a knee. No fumble on a punt because he “intended” to catch the ball instead of muff it. How about no hands to the face penalties because the player “intended” to put his hands to the defenders chest and not helmet. It’s just idiotic. A players intentions have nothing to do with rules. If you are giving yourself up, give yourself up. Fall to the ground, take a knee. On a kneel down is the play dead if the QB flips the ball away instead of taking a knee? His intention is clearly to run the clock. You can’t have a games rules based on players intentions.

And if it was a judgement call, it should have remained with the call on the field. The leader of the crew, the head referee, is the one who made the call. He made clear with his body language that he wasn’t going to accept the flipped ball. He then let the play continue and called it a TD. Someone said it before, but I wonder who those NFL officials in the trench coats on the sidelines were. And if they had anything to do with the overturning of the call.

It shouldn’t. It’s not a valid fair catch signal. The rules do spell out what is a valid fair catch signal. So if the waiving of the arms is what constitutes giving himself up he should have at least gotten flagged for an invalid fair catch signal IMO.

Not yet. One more first down and they can. But even without the first down, New England will only get the ball back with around 30 seconds left I believe.

To me, the rules aren’t there for judgement. They are there to be rules. Take as much judgement out of the officials hands as possible.

The head official refuses to take the ball and then calls it a TD. How in the world that gets overturned is beyond my comprehension. Since when is giving yourself up anything but going to the ground or taking a knee? So if a QB flips the ball it should be considered giving himself up? The returner was a live player. He never signaled fair catch and never let the ball hit the ground without catching it. His intention might have been clear to himself, but ruled aren’t written to the advantage of what the player is thinking. If anyone has an actual NFL rulebook reference that details “giving himself up” as flipping the ball I would love to see it. Because I couldn’t find it.

They definitely need that. Has to be the first round pick. Would also love if we got a bit more aggressive and McDermott grew some killer instinct.

Eh, while true and Duke should have caught that ball, that is a low percentage call. Almost like a prayer after running it and playing super conservative the first two downs. It should have been multiple shots, not just one.

Average NFL WR. Should have been playing over Foster. But he’s definitely not the answer at WR. Draft one in round 1 even if you need to slightly reach.

***** the entire defense. ***** them all

You CANNOT give that up

Pat DiMarco ?‍♂️

Great ***** call. ***** Daboll

Has the defense gone out to dinner? Because they haven’t shown up since the first half.

Frank Gore ?

Oh good. More JJ Watt MICd up